It took some time for Theresa May to criticise this move. The excuse is that she was in the air when it was announced. Her defenders conveniently overlook the fact that we have known for two or three days that it was coming. They claim that she took her time to give it "careful consideration". Older members may remember that when Gordon Brown failed to respond within nano-seconds, he was accused of dithering.

 

To be fair to Boris Johnson, he's actually speaking quite well about the subject. I do think it's a difficult position for Teresa May to be in, not least because from what I have read this executive order moved at lightning speed and caught most people outside out of the White House off guard. That said, I think she's probably been advised wrongly and didn't act as quick as she should have.

Theresa May is a spineless c**t, never fails to amaze me... She'd rather be in Trump's pocket and feel special, abandoning her views, than speak up and be strong, she's already abandoned her pro-EU stance to be PM of a nation who voted Brexit.

I think what some people fail to realize is that it's not a policy issue that's made this a big problem. The big issue is the umbrella of islamophobia that this casts. Yesterday morning the Iranian government pushed to issue a ban on US citizens as a little tit4tat against Trump's Muslim ban. If that doesn't give you World War II teas than I don't know who will.

 

Also Trump treating Muslims like how Hitler treated the Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day is absolutely sickening.

It took some time for Theresa May to criticise this move. The excuse is that she was in the air when it was announced. Her defenders conveniently overlook the fact that we have known for two or three days that it was coming. They claim that she took her time to give it "careful consideration". Older members may remember that when Gordon Brown failed to respond within nano-seconds, he was accused of dithering.

 

Bias of the right wing press.

 

There are no dynamic words like dithering for their Darling Theres just distant passive voice suggestions - 'Theresa May faced some criticism' IF they tackle it all all.

Theresa May is a spineless c**t, never fails to amaze me... She'd rather be in Trump's pocket and feel special, abandoning her views, than speak up and be strong, she's already abandoned her pro-EU stance to be PM of a nation who voted Brexit.

 

'I'll.stand up to Trump'

 

Err no ya won't.

 

A couple days later and what d ya know - she had the opportunity annnnd she didn't!

I am struggling to understand why Iranian travellers are banned from entering the US from Trump's mindset. Yes, most of the countries do have some terrorist groups operating in them (Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen particularly) but I wasn't aware Iran had any significant terrorist group presence, and I have not heard of there being any terrorist acts carried out by any extremists from Iran in the news. Not that people from any of these countries should be banned from entering the US (although there should undoubtedly be high security for arrivals from warzones, politically unstable areas and terrorist hotspots, that goes for other politically unstable areas like eastern Ukraine too)

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To be fair to Boris Johnson, he's actually speaking quite well about the subject. I do think it's a difficult position for Teresa May to be in, not least because from what I have read this executive order moved at lightning speed and caught most people outside out of the White House off guard. That said, I think she's probably been advised wrongly and didn't act as quick as she should have.

There were reports that Trump was going to do this at least two days before it happened. Even the list of countries was spot on. Therefore she had plenty of time to think about it. It really shouldn't have taken more than about ten seconds to decide the right response and a few minutes to get the wording right.

It took some time for Theresa May to criticise this move. The excuse is that she was in the air when it was announced. Her defenders conveniently overlook the fact that we have known for two or three days that it was coming. They claim that she took her time to give it "careful consideration". Older members may remember that when Gordon Brown failed to respond within nano-seconds, he was accused of dithering.

 

The hypocrisy of your last point within the British media is ridiculous - imagine if Corbyn had done exactly this - so many right wing members of the media saying she was just considering it like Dan Hodges!

A petition to take back the invitation for Trump's visit here because of him banning Muslims from entering the USA now has nearly 20,000 signatures. Ridiculous. It's US policy so nothing to do with us.

"They're saying Hitler shouldn't visit because he's making Jews wear yellow stars. Ridiculous. It's German policy so nothing to do with us."

 

Do you have any sense of common humanity whatsoever?

Do you have any sense of common humanity whatsoever?

 

That requires the capacity to think for oneself.

There were reports that Trump was going to do this at least two days before it happened. Even the list of countries was spot on. Therefore she had plenty of time to think about it. It really shouldn't have taken more than about ten seconds to decide the right response and a few minutes to get the wording right.

 

You're right, I think people knew it was going to happen. What they did not expect was how fast it was to come around. Not that I am defending Teresa May, as she could have handled the situation much better, but by all accounts most people were shocked that it actually happened at the speed it did.

I am struggling to understand why Iranian travellers are banned from entering the US from Trump's mindset. Yes, most of the countries do have some terrorist groups operating in them (Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen particularly) but I wasn't aware Iran had any significant terrorist group presence, and I have not heard of there being any terrorist acts carried out by any extremists from Iran in the news. Not that people from any of these countries should be banned from entering the US (although there should undoubtedly be high security for arrivals from warzones, politically unstable areas and terrorist hotspots, that goes for other politically unstable areas like eastern Ukraine too)

What I find strange is that despite 15 of the 19 hijackers in 9/11 coming from there, and the fact it's definitely a Muslim country, Saudi Arabia isn't on the list, and Pakistan isn't either. I wonder why...

What I find strange is that despite 15 of the 19 hijackers in 9/11 coming from there, and the fact it's definitely a Muslim country, Saudi Arabia isn't on the list, and Pakistan isn't either. I wonder why...

 

The US seem to have always have had a close relationship with Saudi Arabia - partly because of the oil there perhaps?

 

Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are generally seen as major allies against terrorist groups, so Trump wouldn't want to upset them. But then so is the Iraqi government at the minute too....

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The politicians won't do anything, just look at the SNP and how they overruled Aberdeenshire council when Trump built his gaudy golf club on a protected SSI.

And then approved 67.9bn wind turbines along the shore of the course over his strenuous objections. Next!

 

#SNPBad

What I find strange is that despite 15 of the 19 hijackers in 9/11 coming from there, and the fact it's definitely a Muslim country, Saudi Arabia isn't on the list, and Pakistan isn't either. I wonder why...

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Lebanon. All Muslim states where there was no ban brought into place. All but one of the 9/11 bombers were from these states. (None from Lebanon)

 

 

 

Completely by co-incidence those four states happen to be where Trumpy has business ties. Pure co-incidence.

A petition to take back the invitation for Trump's visit here because of him banning Muslims from entering the USA now has nearly 20,000 signatures. Ridiculous. It's US policy so nothing to do with us.

 

try telling that to Farage who stuck his nose into USA politics.

 

It also IS our business who we choose to associate with as a nation, and we don't need any relationship with a racist clod especially one that has said he'd sell photos of one royal family member, and would have f***ed another deceased one - look forward to Prince Charles and Prince William having words with him.

I'm sure exceptions will be made for certain VIP's.

 

No it won't. What about Sir Mo Farah, or the Tory MP born in Iraq?

 

Racist. No other word for it. Except for those countries where Trump has hotels, and are genuine supporters of terrorism.

Theresa May is a spineless c**t, never fails to amaze me... She'd rather be in Trump's pocket and feel special, abandoning her views, than speak up and be strong, she's already abandoned her pro-EU stance to be PM of a nation who voted Brexit.

 

This.

 

To repeat what I said months ago, she's a cold-hearted woman, very right-wing, just devious and two-faced.

 

We have abandoned genuinely democratic friends to toady-up with virtual fascists (in aims if not actual achievements yet) and sell weapons to anyone to get business, and start the process to becoming the junior begging partner with a dickhead.

 

 

 

 

The US seem to have always have had a close relationship with Saudi Arabia - partly because of the oil there perhaps?

 

Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are generally seen as major allies against terrorist groups, so Trump wouldn't want to upset them. But then so is the Iraqi government at the minute too....

 

 

errr, saudi has one of the worst human rights records in the world, does nothing whatsoever for middle east refugees and very much IS behind financing terrorism.

 

Trump, however, has business interests there.

I've a feeling world war 3 is a huge possibility in the next few years :(