you guys are 10 years too late complaining about album tracks making the charts, that's been happening for >10 years now since itunes allowed cherrypicking tracks. But personally I think it's a positive thing that any track can chart (i.e. Lana del Rey's Gods & Monsters after being played on Eastenders)

 

If an album track is genuinely popular (like in the old days when fans or radio picked it up) then the record company can release it, until then it's sales/streams should ONLY count towards album sales because it's not an official single. Including album tracks in a singles chart makes more of a mockery of the chart imo.

But the "singles chart" hasn't been only singles for like 10 years now, since downloads began to count and album tracks were allowed to chart. It stopped being a "singles" chart back then, it's just a name and really it should be called the "songs chart" or something similar. I would hate to see a very popular album track like Galway Girl excluded from the chart simply because it isn't a single, because it's undoubtedly one of the most popular songs in the country right now and therefore should be in the chart. Like you say, the label could release it, but what if they don't? Look at the mess created by the instant grat rules a few years back, songs like Gaga's Do What U Want and Ariana's Break Free robbed of higher peaks because labels didn't bother to give them the most effective release strategy and they were ineligible for a few weeks.

 

You never know! Obviously buying would be silly, but just 1 copy of Save Yourself bought is cancelling out over 2,000 of Sheeran's streams. I've no doubt there are plenty of people who like the track especially and have done so, thus theoretically reducing the perceived popularity of the other tracks on their own merit. But it would be a silly system anyway for just punishing the artist for making an album that people will happily listen all the way through. It's basically encouraging Ed to record a 10 minute Merzbow collaboration and chucking it at the end of the album hoping no one listens to it :D

 

This is a fair point actually, it's definitely not a foolproof methodology but I do think it's the best suggestion we've had so far to solve what is a very difficult issue!

said it many times, the best system would be to adopt the Scandinavian system, you listen to the album in full or most of it and you contribute to the album charts only, which is what most people are doing on Spotify, people are mostly streaming the whole album or a large percentage of it, no one is going and clicking on track #14 and then leaving

said it many times, the best system would be to adopt the Scandinavian system, you listen to the album in full or most of it and you contribute to the album charts only, which is what most people are doing on Spotify, people are mostly streaming the whole album or a large percentage of it, no one is going and clicking on track #14 and then leaving

Is this how they actually work it out? :o That would be the perfect solution really, I wasn't sure if Spotify could actually analyse the data like that but if they can, I don't know what they're waiting for.

Here's where the Ed Sheeran tracks would be charting (in yesterday's update) if you take away all the streams of 'Save Myself' and also take away that same amount from each of his other songs (this was what I was trying to do yesterday, hope it makes sense)

 

01 (01) 'Shape of You'

02 (02) 'Galway Girl'

04 (03) 'Castle on the Hill'

07 (04) 'Perfect'

12 (06) 'New Man'

16 (07) 'Dive'

17 (08) 'Happier'

21 (09) 'Supermarket Flowers'

22 (10) 'How Would You Feel'

28 (11) 'What Do I Know'

33 (13) 'Eraser'

35 (15) 'Barcelona'

38 (16) 'Nancy Mulligan'

41 (17) 'Hearts Don't Break Around Here'

53 (18) 'Bibia Be Ye Ye'

90 (19) 'Save Myself'

 

11 (23) 'Ciao Adios'

13 (24) 'Slide'

14 (25) 'Green Light'

15 (26) 'Solo Dance'

31 (37) 'No More Sad Songs'

37 (41) 'That's What I Like'

 

Thank you for doing this, this is the realisation of an idea which is almost exactly what I was suggesting. Although it depends on OCC abilities: if they are able to get how many tracks per album a person listens to they will be able to determine stream as a "single stream" or an "album stream". But this might take a lot of soft upgrade and demand some money. And if they don't have that money, determining the album streams by the streams of the lowest album track would work well.

 

No song should be excluded from the chart because it isn't a single, and no song should be excluded from the chart because it has spent more than 20 weeks in the chart.

 

What I'd suggest is: if the user clicks on an album (or goes to an album's page), it counts towards the album chart. If the user clicks on a song, it counts towards the singles chart. I realise this might be a little complicated for Spotify to analyse but it would be a solution.

said it many times, the best system would be to adopt the Scandinavian system, you listen to the album in full or most of it and you contribute to the album charts only, which is what most people are doing on Spotify, people are mostly streaming the whole album or a large percentage of it, no one is going and clicking on track #14 and then leaving

 

The range of the streaming numbers of the individual tracks would indicate that not everyone is streaming the whole album.

The range of the streaming numbers of the individual tracks would indicate that not everyone is streaming the whole album.

 

Of course, but some people will be and those streams should go to the album chart, right? It wouldn't remove the Ed songs from the singles chart, but they'd be at a more realistic position based on their own individual merit.

Update coming shortly... Ed now has the entire top five as well as his entire album still being in the top 19.

The least streamed track is actually “Hearts Don’t Break Around Here” and not “Save Myself”.

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Wednesday Top 40 Update

Source: Music Week

Missing Data:

 

Singles

 

1 Ed Sheeran - Shape of You (94.8k)

2 Ed Sheeran - Galway Girl (55.0k) *

3 Ed Sheeran - Castle on the Hill (49.3k)

4 Ed Sheeran - Perfect (41.5k) *

5 Ed Sheeran - New Man (35.4k) *

 

6-10

7 Ed Sheeran - Happier *

8 Ed Sheeran - Dive *

9 Ed Sheeran - Supermarket Flowers *

10 Ed Sheeran - How Would You Feel (Paean)

 

11-20

11 Ed Sheeran - What Do I Know? *

13 Ed Sheeran - Eraser *

14 Ed Sheeran - Barcelona *

15 Ed Sheeran - Nancy Mulligan *

17 Ed Sheeran - Hearts Don't Break Around Here *

18 Ed Sheeran - Bibia Be Ye Ye *

19 Ed Sheeran - Save Myself *

 

21-30

25 Martin Jensen - Solo Dance

26 Lorde - Green Light *

 

31-40

38 Little Mix feat. Machine Gun Kelly - No More Sad Songs *

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Albums

 

1 Ed Sheeran - ÷ (541.1k) *

2 Rag'n'Bone Man - Human (37.3k)

3 Stormzy - Gang Signs & Prayer (20.6k)

4 Ed Sheeran - x (17.6k)

5 Ed Sheeran - + (13.5k)

 

6-10

6 Alison Krauss - Windy City *

7 Collabro - Home *

8 Sleaford Mods - English Tapas *

 

11-20

12 Daniel O'Donnell - Back Home Again *

15 James Arthur - Back from the Edge

17 Grandaddy - Last Place *

20 X Japan - We Are X *

 

21-30

22 Train - a girl a bottle a boat

25 Temples - Volcano *

 

31-40

31 Foster & Allen - The Gold Collection *

39 Celine Dion - My Love: The Essential Collection ^

40 Robbie Williams - The Heavy Entertainment Show ^

The least streamed track is actually “Hearts Don’t Break Around Here” and not “Save Myself”.

Hearts Don't Break Around Here has over 5k more chart sales from streaming than Save Myself does. It's lower on pure sales however.

Hearts Don't Break Around Here has over 5k more chart sales from streaming than Save Myself does. It's lower on pure sales however.

 

Ah, yes it is the lowest seller! It does fall foul of my <10% paid-for sales rule though and I suspect by Friday there will be about another 5 or 6 tracks that would be excluded under that rule.

Lorde at 13 on the non-Ed Sheeran chart! :o

said it many times, the best system would be to adopt the Scandinavian system, you listen to the album in full or most of it and you contribute to the album charts only, which is what most people are doing on Spotify, people are mostly streaming the whole album or a large percentage of it, no one is going and clicking on track #14 and then leaving

 

 

Agree totally!

you guys are 10 years too late complaining about album tracks making the charts, that's been happening for >10 years now since itunes allowed cherrypicking tracks. But personally I think it's a positive thing that any track can chart (i.e. Lana del Rey's Gods & Monsters after being played on Eastenders)

 

This is exactly what I was thinking. People complaining about how Ed's album tracks flooding the chart is the 'singles chart' turning into a 'tracks chart' as if that's not what it has already been for a decade :lol:

Friday will be the crappiest moment in chart history. When Greg James introduces the chart on Friday afternoon... that's it, the final insult, the final humiliation. It's the greatest scandal in chart history. I was so disgusted by this I went on Sheeran's Facebook page and told him (I've no idea if he reads the posts!) that he is undeserving of nine hits in the top ten. I've also been on Radio 1, the OCC, and Spotify's FB pages and told them how I feel about this.

 

Admittedly, I probably need 'to get a life' :lol: and put this all into perspective but even so, it's a bloody disgrace. I hope the chart dies. Good riddance to it. I've still got memories of the old chart which had several new entries per week, where people bought records/cds. The OCC and streaming apps can't take away my memories!!!!

 

Position for Zedd please!

Ah, yes it is the lowest seller! It does fall foul of my <10% paid-for sales rule though and I suspect by Friday there will be about another 5 or 6 tracks that would be excluded under that rule.

 

And we shall have top 20 sales on Friday :o :D instead of the usual top 10, fancy doing a sales rip on Friday :drama: :P

I've still got memories of the old chart which had several new entries per week

 

Do you not like the fact we have lots of new entries this week then xxxxx