Can we just have Bernie Sanders and call it a day

 

No he'll be to old in 2020.

Maybe. Maybe not! He would have gone for 2020 reelection if he had run and inevitably destroyed Trump.

 

Shoulda listened to me and the grassroots momentum last year!!

I'm not even sure WHY I'm engaging again, but let's just wait and see how well GRASS ROOTS MOMENTUM gets old Jezza.

Can you just engage the ban button?

Frankly, if the DNC hadn't messed around with the process and debates and caucuses, opened every primary, SD only counting in the tallies AT the convention, Bernie woulda won. He had waay more momentum and was extremely popular at a grassroots level.

*White grassroots level. Literally every time you say all of this, you say that black votes do not matter and that black Democrats were duped by the party and white Democrats weren't. Because that is what this boils down to. Black votes were the bedrock of Hillary's support and her three million vote lead. They would not have changed their mind because of process concerns. They didn't vote for Bernie because they felt lectured by someone who hadn't put in the time in their communities, as Hillary incontestably had for the last 20 years. If the left thinks the only reason Bernie didn't win was because of conspiracy and that it has nothing to learn on how it speaks to Southern black Democrats, it's going to have a hard time winning the nomination in 2020.

Edited April 27, 20178 yr by Qassändra

I like Bernie, he speaks up and talks sense. He is, though, too old. Someone pushing 80, in purely practical terms, is a risk in terms of energy levels and life-expectancy. You can see what happens with trump the amount of time he takes off for Golfing (among other things) and the lack of time he puts into politics, and he's pretty old.

 

The next candidate should be 40-something or younger, it's going to need huge energy levels to sort out the mess by 2020....

Can we just erase the next four years from modern American history and have the next president be the 45th?

Can we just erase the next four years from modern American history and have the next president be the 45th?

i've cut a spare copy of pokemon gold and silver if you want to borrow it?

Edited April 28, 20178 yr by jjake

the lady drives a hard bargain... I'll think about it :P

Frankly, if the DNC hadn't messed around with the process and debates and caucuses, opened every primary, SD only counting in the tallies AT the convention, Bernie woulda won. He had waay more momentum and was extremely popular at a grassroots level.

That seems a little optimistic. I don't see how a candidate who couldn't even win against "ever-flawed" Hillary Clinton would somehow be better positioned to win the general against Trump. Sanders did very well in the first three primary contests, but it didn't lead to the majority of voters being convinced he was the better choice like it did in 2008 for Obama. Sanders is really too far left for general American politics, and he comes across as very patronizing and sanctimonious after awhile. I don't think he would have beaten Trump either.

 

I'd vote for him if he were the nominee, but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled about it.

Edited April 29, 20178 yr by bluesunstorm

Exactly. It won't be a woman - maybe the U.S as it is currently will NEVER have a woman president. There is waaay too much sexism.

 

Never say never - 50 years ago the idea of having a black president would have been similarly inconceivable...

In what may be some sort of record, the number of Democrats in the race for 2020 has already reached one.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/...n-a7866236.html

Oprah Winfrey for 2020 for the Democrats? I think she'd have a very good chance of beating Trump and becoming the first female president.

Whilst I know my precognitive powers regarding US elections have been very much non-existent in the past few years, I can confidently make these two predictions -

 

Oprah Winfrey will not be running for President in 2020, either as a Democrat or "Other".

 

The first female US president will be a Republican, most likely than not Nikki Haley, and it will likely happen in 2024.

Why confidently that the first female US president will be a Republican? At this (admittedly early) stage I'd give it greater than evens odds that the Democrats will have a female candidate next time, and I'd give it considerably greater than evens odds that the Democrats will win the next presidential election if all Trump does for the next three years is talk to his base, given how narrow his win was in 2016.

Edited January 8, 20187 yr by Qassändra

Quote messed up but to answer Brett-Butler.

 

I think if Trump wins again, Pence will hope to be the nominee in 2024.

Edited January 8, 20187 yr by Crazy Chris

The only reason you take on that job is if you hope to be President.

For a start, I really don't think there's any women within the Democratic Party who I can see winning in 2020. First of all, I very much doubt that Democrats would go for Oprah Winfrey - after attacking the Repubs for standing a candidate with no political experience, it would be quite ironic for them to stand her, in spite of her popularity (and I doubt that she'd do as well in the face-to-face debates).

 

Warren & Clinton will be too old, and whilst there's energy behind Harris & Gillibrand, I can't see either of them beating whomever the Republicans stand in 2020, be it Trump (which I still see as likely) or someone else. Of course, I could be wrong, and there might be a hitherto-unknown senator who can "do an Obama" and storm her way to the top, but my gut tells me at the moment that this isn't the case.

 

I also have a theory that the electorate as a whole are more likely to be accepting of a female Head of State/Leader if she is of a right-of-centre disposition rather than to the left. Admittedly it's probably not a theory that stands up to much scrutiny, and I base it really mainly on the fact that the only female PM's in the UK have been Tory, and that the only female chancellor in Germany has been the right-leaning Merkel. I'd be interested to see if there has been research into whether this is actually the case or not, or whether I'm talking out of my posterior (I'm not sure what it's like in South America for example, which I know has had quite a few female Heads of State, but I'm not sure of where they stood politically).

Quote messed up but to answer Brett-Butler.

 

I think if Trump wins again, Pence will hope to be the nominee in 2024.

 

The only Republican that's going to escape Trump's cabinet with her reputation intact will be Nikki Haley.

and I base it really mainly on the fact that the only female PM's in the UK have been female

 

Debatable with Thatcher.

 

I doubt Trump will run again in 2020 if he knows he is likely to lose.