So Tories with 7% lead there. Hope it goes up during the campaign.

 

As Professor Curtice, polling and electoral expert says, this election is like no other with Brexit, the Brexit Party etc. He can see a Tory majority, Labour or Tory most seats or even a surprise Labour majority on 13th.

 

The only thing he'd say for absolute certainty is Lib-Dems won't getting an overall majority or most seats.

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

Whoops Labour have cut Tory lead by 8 points already. Apparrntly Torygraph is panicking :rofl: These polls are all establishment too, and very generous to the Tories.

Whoops Labour have cut Tory lead by 8 points already. Apparrntly Torygraph is panicking :rofl: These polls are all establishment too, and very generous to the Tories.

 

 

I'm wondering if you're a secret Tory really Michael as you always post in blue. :D

And let's all remind ourselves that Labour support grows as the media has to at least TRY to appear impartial, and fail at it but w/e, and as people realise how shit the Tories are vs excellent Laboue campaigning. A Labour SNP (which is like the Scottish arm of the party anyway) majority might make up for the awful December timing. Might.

I think this is the one election that is gonna break pollsters. So so so many variables at play that will never be repeated

100% agreed, although the last elecrion broke them as it showed their bias until the last day when they were still predicting massive Tory majorities. They thought they'd win 300 plus majorities :rofl: At least Tpries have to deal with vote sapping Brexshit like the fractured left has always had to deal with.

I think this is the one election that is gonna break pollsters. So so so many variables at play that will never be repeated

 

 

As most of you already know the national polls don't mean a lot as the election will be won or lost in about 50 marginals around the country.

I think this is the one election that is gonna break pollsters. So so so many variables at play that will never be repeated

 

Tactical voting will likely play a big role as well.

 

Although in saying that we'll see what the campaigns/manifestos etc are like over the coming weeks. Hopefully Labour/Lib Dems lead strong campaigns and the Tories end up with another "dementia tax" situation.

So Tories with 7% lead there. Hope it goes up during the campaign.

 

As Professor Curtice, polling and electoral expert says, this election is like no other with Brexit, the Brexit Party etc. He can see a Tory majority, Labour or Tory most seats or even a surprise Labour majority on 13th.

 

The only thing he'd say for absolute certainty is Lib-Dems won't getting an overall majority or most seats.

He's not exactly sticking his neck out, is he? :lol:

Tactical voting will likely play a big role as well.

 

Yes, and that's not really reflected in opinion polls. :unsure:

 

BTW, do you think that the gap closing means the polls have been wrong, the campaign has been having an effect, or that voters minds have just become more focused?

 

[i can already guess MM's opinions on this] :heehee:

 

Additionally, I would like to see both raw results *and* adjusted data, to see what pollsters are really doing... <_<

Edited November 5, 20195 yr by vidcapper

Yes, and that's not really reflected in opinion polls. :unsure:

 

BTW, do you think that the gap closing means the polls have been wrong, the campaign has been having an effect, or that voters minds have just become more focused?

 

[i can already guess MM's opinions on this] :heehee:

 

Additionally, I would like to see both raw results *and* adjusted data, to see what pollsters are really doing... <_<

 

I feel the gap closing will also be due to shifting the election topic. Brexit is currently the most dominant one, but cuts to services/the NHS are still very important and if the other parties can continue to shed light on those it could cause a shift in what voters are voting for. Currently the GE is being sold as essentially a brexit election, which isn't wise - as Theresa May found out. Parties could latch on to the £billions spent by the current government on no deal preparations as money that could've been used for local services - which parties have started doing. Not to mention the money wasted through the governments Brexit deadline advertisements/commemorative coins (£100 million+) as well as the whole ferry debacle with Chris Grayling wasting another £50 million+.

Edited November 6, 20195 yr by Envoirment

I feel the gap closing will also be due to shifting the election topic. Brexit is currently the most dominant one, but cuts to services/the NHS are still very important and if the other parties can continue to shed light on those it could cause a shift in what voters are voting for. Currently the GE is being sold as essentially a brexit election, which isn't wise - as Theresa May found out. Parties could latch on to the £billions spent by the current government on no deal preparations as money that could've been used for local services - which parties have started doing.

 

The opposition won't be able to score points on this, as the Tories will undoubtedly point out their 'delaying tactics' as a factor in that 'wasted' spending.

What on earth is that pro tory defence this time? Wrooong and Enviornment is right. Sorry.

What on earth is that pro tory defence this time?

 

I just *told you* what I think they'll use.

 

And it won't work. Mad May tried the same thing :rofl:

And it won't work. Mad May tried the same thing :rofl:

 

Depends how you define 'didn't work' - they're still comfortably ahead in the polls...

According to biased national polls that don't take into account the nee changes? Biased polls which gave Mad May 60 plus majorities the day of the election? Lolololololhahahahaaaalolololololololllhahahaaaa!!! Tory btainwashing is being counteracted by great Labour campaigning. All Labour have to do is remind everyone the Tories have been in for a decde. Eveything that's gone wrong is Tory.

According to biased national polls that don't take into account the nee changes? Biased polls which gave Mad May 60 plus majorities the day of the election? Lolololololhahahahaaaalolololololololllhahahaaaa!!! Tory btainwashing is being counteracted by great Labour campaigning. All Labour have to do is remind everyone the Tories have been in for a decde. Eveything that's gone wrong is Tory.

 

There's only one way to find out whether the polls are accurate or not - wait until Dec 13th...

New Sky News/YouGov voting intention puts the Tories on 36%, Labour on 25%, Lib Dems on 17%, Brexit Party on 11%, SNP on 11%, Greens on 5% and SNP 4%, with Plaid Cymru on 1%.

Edited November 6, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

According to biased national polls that don't take into account the nee changes? Biased polls which gave Mad May 60 plus majorities the day of the election? Lolololololhahahahaaaalolololololololllhahahaaaa!!! Tory btainwashing is being counteracted by great Labour campaigning. All Labour have to do is remind everyone the Tories have been in for a decde. Eveything that's gone wrong is Tory.

 

 

NOT QUITE. All the sick and disabled, including me, made to jump through hoops and wait up to a year to go to a tribunal to get benefits they're entitled to. :rolleyes: Who introduced the WCA? Yes, Labour. Then they'd the gall to castigate IDS for UC.

Edited November 6, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger