Of course you should be fine with it if your friend is, stop being offended on others behalf! Me and my friends regularly call each other the C word, I'd be more annoyed by someone being offended on my behalf when I'm ok with it than ever being called the C word.

 

Let others decide what they are happy with and stop imposing your morals on others.

I call my friends all sorts of names, but there is a HUGE difference between bantering with people who share your sense of humour, and insulting somebody you don't know, like in my example. If my friend were okay with it, that wouldn't stop it being a homophobic incident that would affect me as a gay man too. The C-word is less comparable as it is not a derogatory term against a group of people...

I call my friends all sorts of names, but there is a HUGE difference between bantering with people who share your sense of humour, and insulting somebody you don't know, like in my example. If my friend were okay with it, that wouldn't stop it being a homophobic incident that would affect me as a gay man too. The C-word is less comparable as it is not a derogatory term against a group of people...

 

But the song isn't calling it to a random person it is 2 people who know each other arguing and calling each other's names.

 

 

 

 

But the song isn't calling it to a random person it is 2 people who know each other arguing and calling each other's names.

But that doesn't mean the word is appropriate for radio play to the nation?

But that doesn't mean the word is appropriate for radio play to the nation?

 

I have no problem with anyone thinking it should be censored because it is a swear word and like the C or T word it should be censored in the daytime.

 

I have issue with people who think it should be censored full stop.

Can we all just agree that we should be streaming, Zara Larsson, Mary Do I Know You? The Xmas classic

Stream O Holy Night by Ellie Goulding on Spotify ***

I’m all for the debate and I totally get why some people are confused and don’t realise exactly why the word is so triggering or offensive to large groups of people, which is why i think it’s great to have this conversation, because it gives people a chance to explain something that i think a lot of people haven’t really thought out in much detail before.... but some of these posts are reading like the Daily Mail comments section.

I have no problem with anyone thinking it should be censored because it is a swear word and like the C or T word it should be censored in the daytime.

 

I have issue with people who think it should be censored full stop.

 

That’s a grey area I think, because I wouldn’t expect the song to suddenly just not exist in its full form, and know that would never happen. It’s like a load of Eminem songs use the word ‘f*****’ too, you can’t expect them to just stop existing. But I think people should be able to acknowledge why it’s offensive to lots of people and why the radio shouldn’t play it with no hesitation. Those Eminem songs would be censored on radio, so this should be too.

What I’m even more confused about is why the censored version ended up getting backlash?

What I find funny about 'people are just offended by everything' as an argument is 'people will just defend anything' is equally valid. The song isn't going to disappear by being censored on the radio.

 

Like others have said - you can replace the word with bitch or bast*rd etc and it would be censored. It wouldn't be acceptable in any other context.

Edited December 2, 20186 yr by blacksquare

Can we all just agree that we should be streaming, Zara Larsson, Mary Do I Know You? The Xmas classic

 

I've never heard the song but have to say I'm intrigued....

What I’m even more confused about is why the censored version ended up getting backlash?

 

Free speech!

People should lighten up and stop being so PC!

It's a food!

You can't touch a classic!

I like shouting it one month a year without any consequences!

Edited December 2, 20186 yr by blacksquare

My bad, I just streamed it and it’s Mary, did you know?

I’m all for the debate and I totally get why some people are confused and don’t realise exactly why the word is so triggering or offensive to large groups of people, which is why i think it’s great to have this conversation, because it gives people a chance to explain something that i think a lot of people haven’t really thought out in much detail before.... but some of these posts are reading like the Daily Mail comments section.

 

I do feel like I've fallen into the politics discussion lounge and not the chart lounge what with Brett Butler contributing flat out and all!! :lol:

 

I was out on Friday evening and The Pogues was played twice at the Xmas party I was at and people drunkenly sang the lyrics and didn't think anything of it or over emphasised the lyric but I can understand younger people hearing it and thinking it's ok to use.

The word should not be used in ANY context in this day and age. It's an offensive word whichever way you look at it. Exactly like the N word. The thing that makes it worse is that I guarantee that 99% of the people singing it won't realise it's original context and will gleefully sing along to it, thinking it's the homophobic context, and thinking it's ok to sing it.

 

Why should this song get a pass on radio when every other song that uses the term has it (and the word $l*t) censored?

Some great points in this thread and I totally understand those that are uncomfortable with it in this day and age, I don't agree with the whole song being dismissed just on that one word though. Like others have said, context is important. The song is about lower ranking people in society that are washed up, drunk, high and arguing on Christmas Eve and have nowhere to go, they're not going to be the most politically correct when they're having a brutal argument as the song depicts, and in this sense, I'm pretty sure the word was selected just because it rhymed with 'maggot'. It was intentional to be unpleasant. I mean I wouldn't personally be affected at all by that word being censored, I think the most important thing is that every effort should be made to ensure younger generations listening to it that it's not acceptable to use it in today's context. There is an argument for censoring it in that sense.

No one is saying the song should be dismissed based on that one word though, are they? :unsure:

 

The song will still exist if it's bleeped out.

I don’t really understand the context argument, because, yes I agree the song has a very dark tone - that’s what makes it such a cleverly written song and why people enjoy it. But there are 100s of other songs about sad or dark themes and any swear word would still be censored on radio.

can we stop arguing context as a defence?

let's talk more about the context of the word in 2018 + it's use in a hugely popular song where a large number of its listeners are so dense, they won't even understand what context is.

 

the point is; nobody is trying to erase the history of the song, or the song itself, but the word f***** doesn't have a place on any mainstream media outlet in 2018.

 

i think a big issue with censoring it, however, is the backlash that would eventuate. and i don't think the backlash would necessarily be on the radio station, more on those who wanted it censored.

you'd still get the same humdrum group of protestors that would continue to shout it over the top of the censored version + of course the whole "you can't even say f***** anymore, what's the world coming to?" drivel.

okay but if we're arguing about context, Same Love used the word in a more tasteful way and it got censored during the peak of its radio airplay so it's not exactly a valid reason.