The big difference is that I WAS BORN HERE to two British parents. I didn't come in to the country so am fully entitled to the sickness benefits I receive as my parents paid enough in taxes even if I haven't.

 

This shoddy entitled attitude is what makes me ashamed to be British. So because you won the birth lottery, you can have everything you want when those in need must suffer because they were born elsewhere and according to you that’s their problem.

 

We are going to suffer with No Deal, and one day you will realise.

Yes. Bring up VAT again when you’ve already been told that you’re full of shit and you’ll find out just how patronising and arrogant I can be!

 

So in other words, you're not actually interested in knowing why I voted for Brexit - that's useful to know...

This shoddy entitled attitude is what makes me ashamed to be British. So because you won the birth lottery, you can have everything you want when those in need must suffer because they were born elsewhere and according to you that’s their problem.

 

No matter *how* compassionate we might be, we are just one small country and therefore cannot solve the world's problems. Should we really beggar ourselves by trying to do do anyway?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/j...phe-yougov-poll

 

If Corbyn backs Brexit, he faces electoral catastrophe

The biggest Brexit survey yet shows Remain ahead – and Labour losing by a landslide in a general election if it does not oppose leaving the EU.

 

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Corbyn's in a Catch-22 situation.

 

1. Loss by a landslide of he doesn't oppose Brexit

2. Losing a lot of Leave votes in Labour's traditional heartlands if he does.

3. Neither side trusting him if he continues to sit on the fence.

 

:lol:

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by vidcapper

The big difference is that I WAS BORN HERE to two British parents. I didn't come in to the country so am fully entitled to the sickness benefits I receive as my parents paid enough in taxes even if I haven't.

What does it matter where you are born. If you come to this country and pay taxes and make a life for yourself then they are making a contribution to society.

 

The “i was born here” game is a dangerous path to go down. We don’t have citizenship based on being born here like the US does. A lot of brits are born abroad for various reasons. I was born in Germany because my parents were stationed here with the military. Countless brits were born abroad for that reason or similar (iirc, including John in Singapore). So we weren’t “born here” does that make us lesser in your world?

 

So in other words, you're not actually interested in knowing why I voted for Brexit - that's useful to know...

In 2.5 years you’ve yet to actually give us anything that resembles a reasoned argument or something that isn’t a meaningless sound bite.

In 2.5 years you’ve yet to actually give us anything that resembles a reasoned argument or something that isn’t a meaningless sound bite.

 

Are you sure you've not simply been brainwashed by the Guardian to consider them so? :teresa:

 

Seriously though, I do not have to justify my reasons to anyone, whether real or spurious!

 

It's frankly ludicrous for you to be sat there spouting this nonsense when you don't actually contribute anything to society yourself.

 

 

So you think that just because I can't work due to long term illness, depression, I can't have a say on anything? How ridiculous. I've not simply chosen not to work and I'm still a British Citizen. My dad fought in the war and both my parents worked and paid taxes all their working lives.

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Seriously though, I do not have to justify my reasons to anyone, whether real or spurious!

 

 

As a fellow Brexiteer I'd be interested in why you voted OUT though Vid. Everyone I know who voted out did so because we have too many immigrants. My sister voted Remain and is very angry that we're leaving. The subject's taboo bewteen us now. She called me a lunatic for voting out. Well there's millions of us lunatics then.!

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by Common Sense

As a fellow Brexiteer I'd be interested in why you voted OUT though Vid. Everyone I know who voted out did so because we have too many immigrants. My sister voted Remain and is very angry that we're leaving. The subject's taboo bewteen us now. She called me a lunatic for voting out. Well there's millions of us lunatics then.!

 

I voted out for the more pragmatic reason that I believe it's foolishly short-sighted to give up political independence for short-term economic reasons.

I voted out for the more pragmatic reason that I believe it's foolishly short-sighted to give up political independence for short-term economic reasons.

 

 

Yes that's a very good reason actually.

What even does political independence mean to you? Surely you should be well aware that we already have the definition of political independence as a member of the EU and there are no plans for that to change for any EU members at present.

 

There's a real possibility that Brexit, particularly one fueled by no deal, could lead to the break-up of the Union, so what does that do to your notion of political independence should the nation called the United Kingdom cease to exist?

 

There are no benefits associated with severing ties in order to be 'completely independent', why PRECISELY is that worth economic turmoil? Tell me the benefits.

Are you sure you've not simply been brainwashed by the Guardian to consider them so? :teresa:

 

Seriously though, I do not have to justify my reasons to anyone, whether real or spurious!

Political independence means absolutely F.A. - it’s a meaningless sound bite. You’ve never in 2,5 years moved beyond that soundbite to actually say why you think we don’t have political independence or provide any examples to back your assertion that we don’t currently enjoy political independence

Political independence means absolutely F.A. - it’s a meaningless sound bite. [

 

Oh really - tell that to any country that's been occupied on war, or by colonization...

 

It may mean nothing to you, but that's because you've had your sense of nationhood brainwashed out of you by PC universities.

 

People like me, Chris, and much of the older generation have *not* lost that though- and what's more, we are proud to retain it!

I voted out for the more pragmatic reason that I believe it's foolishly short-sighted to give up political independence for short-term economic reasons.

When does your campaign to leave the UN, NATO, the IMF, the WTO and the World Bank begin?

Wait. Are we really comparing the EU to colonization and occupation by war?! That's ridiculous. You are yet to give a point where y'all truly lost political freedom thanks to the EU.

 

Can't complain about someone not willing to listen to your points when you yourself avoid a discussion when questioned about your standings

When does your campaign to leave the UN, NATO, the IMF, the WTO and the World Bank begin?

 

Very droll - however we are not bound to them in the same way we are to the EU. :rolleyes:

Wait. Are we really comparing the EU to colonization and occupation by war?! That's ridiculous. You are yet to give a point where y'all truly lost political freedom thanks to the EU.

 

I said political *independence* - and besides, a comment like 'Political independence means absolutely F.A. - it’s a meaningless sound bite.' is disrespectful to all those people who died in various wars defending this country!

Edited January 24, 20196 yr by vidcapper

Very droll - however we are not bound to them in the same way we are to the EU. :rolleyes:

What about the obligation to act in defence of a NATO country that is attacked? As for the WTO, you’ll soon find out how they can tie our hands if we leave the EU without a deal.

What does it matter where you are born. If you come to this country and pay taxes and make a life for yourself then they are making a contribution to society.

 

The “i was born here” game is a dangerous path to go down. We don’t have citizenship based on being born here like the US does. A lot of brits are born abroad for various reasons. I was born in Germany because my parents were stationed here with the military. Countless brits were born abroad for that reason or similar (iirc, including John in Singapore). So we weren’t “born here” does that make us lesser in your world?

In 2.5 years you’ve yet to actually give us anything that resembles a reasoned argument or something that isn’t a meaningless sound bite.

 

 

Amen

I said political *independence* - and besides, a comment like 'Political independence means absolutely F.A. - it’s a meaningless sound bite.' is disrespectful to all those people who died in various wars defending this country!

And still no answer has been given