Meanwhile, just to help may understand that not everyone is a homogeneous single voice, this crashed as it now approaches 1 million signatures:

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

 

will it help? Prob not. can it hurt? Def not.

 

I noticed there are people from South Sudan, North Korea, and even the "Western Sahara" :blink: that have signed the petition, who knew people there were against a no deal Brexit too.

The EU has agreed to an extension until 22nd May but only if May gets her Deal through the commons next week.

 

MP Anna Soubry has been given round the clock armed police protection and has been advised not to go home this weekend as the death threats against her are said to be serious. She'll stay at a secret location guarded by armed officers. Her husband has also been advised to leave their home which is under armed guard too.

 

Sad when an MP's life is threatened because of Brexit. She has to be careful though after Jo Cox was murdered.

Edited March 21, 20196 yr by Common Sense

My MP, Lloyd Russell-Moyle, was attacked in the street today while being filmed by an ITV News crew. May’s comments cannot be blamed directly, but they certainly didn’t help.

My MP, Lloyd Russell-Moyle, was attacked in the street today while being filmed by an ITV News crew. May’s comments cannot be blamed directly, but they certainly didn’t help.

 

He was the one that grabbed the ceremonial mace last year wasn't he? I'm guessing that you much prefer him to your prior MP, whom I recall was a certain Mr Burns.

 

Him getting attacked, Anna Soubry under armed protection, it isn't a good time to be an MP at the moment, probably the scariest time to be one since the IRA were at their peak.

The EU has agreed to an extension until 22nd May but only if May gets her Deal through the commons next week.

 

MP Anna Soubry has been given round the clock armed police protection and has been advised not to go home this weekend as the death threats against her are said to be serious. She'll stay at a secret location guarded by armed officers. Her husband has also been advised to leave their home which is under armed guard too.

 

Sad when an MP's life is threatened because of Brexit. She has to be careful though after Jo Cox was murdered.

 

Except her Deal won't pass - I don't know what her contingency plan is? While a No Deal might please a lot of Brexiteers, the economic chaos that it causes and the fact that May has gone against the House, there are going to be serious political consequences.

 

Still have no idea why whose not a seven figure income thinks a No Deal is a good idea. Think the only business that thinks it's a decent idea is Wetherspoons.

I think that only the loon that owns Spoons thinks it’s a good idea. I’d bet that quite a lot of his employees think it’s a f***ing disaster.

 

If a no deal Brexit directly lead to the bankruptcy of spoons and all the other fools who supported it - then we crawled cap in hand back to the EU and joined the Euro and Schengen areas I think i could just about get behind a no deal Brexit. Especially as regardless of what happens I’m moving to Germany permanently in either December or for the start of 2020

He was the one that grabbed the ceremonial mace last year wasn't he? I'm guessing that you much prefer him to your prior MP, whom I recall was a certain Mr Burns.

Correct on both counts. The said Mr Burns blocked me on Twitter while he was still my MP.

Correct on both counts. The said Mr Burns blocked me on Twitter while he was still my MP.

 

well done! Must have been something factual.

Whoever wrote Theresa May's speech last night catastrophically misjudged the mood. All it's done is deepen divisions further, what were they thinking?!

 

Although tbf "catastrophically misjudged" can be used to describe just about every step of Theresa's actions since Article 50 was invoked.

The EU have thrown the bone May definitely did not want. Leave with her Deal or take part on the EU elections and have a longer extension.

 

She's properly about to split the Labour and Conservative parties up isn't she? I genuinely think Article 50 could get revoked, right now it's seemingly an actual possibility.

I've ran out of feelings for this now, it's so bloody clear this weak deal isn't gonna go through and yet May mentions no back up plan, despite the fact that unless a longer extension, a second referendum or revoking Article 50 happens, we will leave with no deal in a weeks time, it beggars belief, how can we possibly have been lumbered with a leader this inflexible, bizarrely blinkered towards appealing to one side of the population and incompetent to deal something so big? Whatever happens, she is surely gone within the next few months.

Although I voted Remain, and would be happy if the UK didn't leave the EU, I'm genuinely concerned as to what may happen politically if Article 50 is revoked. There will be a lot of angered Brexiteers in the population who will make their displeasure known by switching support back to the party that is most seen as the party of Brexit, which is of course Ukip. And given that Ukip have gone full-fash since Gerard B took over, that party having larger-than-now support genuinely terrifies me. And the slightly better alternative, that they instead go to the slightly more sensible SDP, is not that likely.

 

I wish I was intelligent enough to come up with a solution that allows the UK to remain in the EU, without provoking the anger of people who voted leave, and I don't think anyone is - that boat sailed off long ago, circa 2017. And of course, there is the chance that the new EU parliament post-elections leads to a more populist EU, which could disrupt the UK's attempts to leave even further.

 

Basically, I don't know anymore.

within the next few months.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if she's out by the end of next week tbh

 

She's even lost control of her chief whip now

I wouldn't be surprised if she's out by the end of next week tbh

 

She's even lost control of her chief whip now

 

Theresa May has been on her "last few days" hundreds of times since losing her majority in 2017, so I wouldn't rule her out just yet, although it's a walking miracle that she's hung on so long.

 

I've ran out of feelings for this now, it's so bloody clear this weak deal isn't gonna go through and yet May mentions no back up plan, despite the fact that unless a longer extension, a second referendum or revoking Article 50 happens, we will leave with no deal in a weeks time, it beggars belief, how can we possibly have been lumbered with a leader this inflexible, bizarrely blinkered towards appealing to one side of the population and incompetent to deal something so big? Whatever happens, she is surely gone within the next few months.

 

But here-in lies the problem - despite many people rejecting her deal, nobody (including May) has a suitable alternative, at least not one that is going to gain support of more than a handful of MPs. Admittedly the issue is very decisive, but there is a reason why a lot of people do not support No Deal in the House. The problem with May is she is so stubborn and only sees her way. It's got her to the job, but it's going to also be the end of her. Surely Parliament puts a stop to this now and takes control of the process.

 

Although I voted Remain, and would be happy if the UK didn't leave the EU, I'm genuinely concerned as to what may happen politically if Article 50 is revoked. There will be a lot of angered Remainers in the population who will make their displeasure known by switching support back to the party that is most seen as the party of Brexit, which is of course Ukip. And given that Ukip have gone full-fash since Gerard B took over, that party having larger-than-now support genuinely terrifies me. And the slightly better alternative, that they instead go to the slightly more sensible SDP, is not that likely.

 

I wish I was intelligent enough to come up with a solution that allows the UK to remain in the EU, without provoking the anger of people who voted leave, and I don't think anyone is - that boat sailed off long ago, circa 2017. And of course, there is the chance that the new EU parliament post-elections leads to a more populist EU, which could disrupt the UK's attempts to leave even further.

 

Basically, I don't know anymore.

 

Hoping you mean Brexiteers and not Remainers! I agree revoking Article 50 would be huge, I suspect in that case though the Tory party would split and become more Right, thus scooping up the UKIP vote. The sensible option in all of this would have been to have a Soft Brexit - sure it would have pissed off both sides of the debate, but you could adminster the 'will of the people' and keep MPs happy. I still think that's the sensible option to keep everyone happy, but fuked if I know cos the Government is seemingly bent on doing anything but sensible.

Hoping you mean Brexiteers and not Remainers! I agree revoking Article 50 would be huge, I suspect in that case though the Tory party would split and become more Right, thus scooping up the UKIP vote. The sensible option in all of this would have been to have a Soft Brexit - sure it would have pissed off both sides of the debate, but you could adminster the 'will of the people' and keep MPs happy. I still think that's the sensible option to keep everyone happy, but fuked if I know cos the Government is seemingly bent on doing anything but sensible.

 

My mistake! Now edited.

 

I can't see the Tory party splitting whilst first-past-the-post is still here - both factions of the party will refuse to give up the Conservative Party "brand", so none of them will be "brave" enough to split away from the party. It's even amazing that TIG ended up getting as many MPs from the two majors as they did, although in their cases they were already out the door in their parties, in soul if not in body.

But here-in lies the problem - despite many people rejecting her deal, nobody (including May) has a suitable alternative, at least not one that is going to gain support of more than a handful of MPs. Admittedly the issue is very decisive, but there is a reason why a lot of people do not support No Deal in the House. The problem with May is she is so stubborn and only sees her way. It's got her to the job, but it's going to also be the end of her. Surely Parliament puts a stop to this now and takes control of the process.

 

I don't think that's true. The House hasn't even had a chance to have a series of indicative free votes on various options at nearly three years in. I think it's likely a softer approach would get the support of the House but of course we'll never know as long as the deal has some semblance of remaining "live".

May was apparently told to resign by the Chairman of the 1922 Committee after they met on Monday. They can't force her out though. I've a feeling she may throw in the towel later next week if they get to vote on her Deal again and it's rejected a third time.

May was apparently told to resign by the Chairman of the 1922 Committee after they met on Monday. They can't force her out though. I've a feeling she may throw in the towel later next week if they get to vote on her Deal again and it's rejected a third time.

 

She's toast and massively Conservative "brand" as Brett points out above. Her loyalty is to the party - I suspect even though at heart she is a Remainer she realises that a long extension is going to cause huge headways across the party, even though I suspect that is going to be the outcome. At this point she has completely lost it, becoming a dictator in the guise of democracy.

 

But here-in lies the problem - despite many people rejecting her deal, nobody (including May) has a suitable alternative.

 

Not true - the alternative that Nick Boles etc. have been talking about has considerable support, probably a majority if the Conservative party whipped for it. She has deliberately acted against the national interest to block this in the interest of keeping her party together. History won't forget this...

 

Also:

 

Jeremy Corbyn's amendment on customs union: FOR 296

Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement: FOR 202 (242 at second attempt).

 

Which is more likely to command a majority do you suppose?