I don't believe it was carried through to the final ruling, but was in the original advice

Thanks! I thought I’d read it somewhere but things have been happening so fast lately it’s hard to keep up :lol:

Thanks! I thought I’d read it somewhere but things have been happening so fast lately it’s hard to keep up :lol:

 

I know! I feels like a lifetime since the referendum at this stage!

No, the final ruling confirmed the initial advice. We can revoke Article 50 unilaterally at any time before we leave.

The stumbling block seems to be the backstop. Surely May and the EU can work together to sort it out.

There's a stumbling block because it's simply incompatible to have a soft border with Ireland whilst they are in the single market and we are not.

The stumbling block seems to be the backstop. Surely May and the EU can work together to sort it out.

 

It's more than that though, the DUP are Unionist so there's no way they are going to allow that to happen. I'm no expert on the Deal or the history of Ireland, but I'm pretty sure the alternative probably risks a likely civil war in Ireland.

 

Plus it's all ideology driven too. You have Brexiteers who still want something else, the Centrists who smell bloody and can see a 2nd referendum and Corbyn who is using everything to try and call a General Election.

 

After all this, the only sensible option imo is a second referendum but that only has the slightest possibility of happening if Corbyn backs it, and I get why he isn't. It would be absolutely catastrophic for the Labour Party- their core voters in the North and some of the midlands/Wales would never forgive them and they wouldn't gain enough voters from Lib Dems/Tories to cancel that out. There's no way Labour would win a general election for at least a decade if they supported a second referendum.

Here's how each MP voted.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/here...ref=uk-homepage

 

Ours, Stephen Timms, Labour, East Ham, voted against.

Edited January 15, 20197 yr by Crazy Chris

What an incompetent shambles of a government to waste a precious month when the result was going to be this bad for them. It’s hilarious and sad. I can only hope that a failed VoNC is a prelude to a second referendum being the only viable option left but I’m not holding my breath.

 

I also really hope that those Conservative/DUP MPs who voted down the deal but still will inevitably vote to support this lame duck government get grilled publically as to why they did so.

This aged very badly

 

I guess I overestimated how spineless the rebels might be. :mellow:

Which you're not going to get in all fairness

 

Did you mean 'a caretaker PM' or 'a better deal'?

 

As for the no-confidence motion - as long as the DUP don't vote against the gov't, it has *no* chance of success.

Did you mean 'a caretaker PM' or 'a better deal'?

 

As for the no-confidence motion - as long as the DUP don't vote against the gov't, it has *no* chance of success.

A better deal

I guess I overestimated how spineless the rebels might be. :mellow:

 

It takes more of a spin to vote against your party’s flagship policy than fall into line because Theresa commanded it...

I wonder if the defeat would have been as bad if the vote had been in December.

I wonder if the defeat would have been as bad if the vote had been in December.

I doubt it would have been any worse. In other words, May has wasted yet another month.

I actually think the defeat would have been slightly smaller. No doubt she alienated a lot of people by delaying for 1 month and then trying every scaremongering tactic in the book the past few days. I bet people were put off by Geoffrey Cox’s dreadful speech comparing them to children yesterday too. The Government continually thinks it can rule by fear and intimidation but hopefully this will be a wake up call for them (assuming it survives).

Meanwhile John McDonnell has said that Labour will decide on its next move "in the next few weeks". Well, it's not like we're up against a tight deadline or anything. No need to rush.

Just shows they don’t have, and have never had, a plan...

I actually think the defeat would have been slightly smaller.

 

 

Yes I think it would have been a bit smaller.

Meanwhile John McDonnell has said that Labour will decide on its next move "in the next few weeks". Well, it's not like we're up against a tight deadline or anything. No need to rush.

 

Corbyn was a car crash on marr on sunday - he refused to give assurances that he would agree to comply with what the Labour membership wants: a referendum. He kept quoting that the membership had agreed to follow his route to Downing Street. Elite much.

 

He kept quoting about it being on the table along with other options. In other words he'd have to be dragged kicking and screaming* to support it regardless of his mealy mouthed barbs about out of touch previous leaders of the party. That voters might abandon labour is an inevitable consequence of what is going to happen when your potential fanbase have opposing views. So you have to do what's right for the country, cos if you don't then both sides may abandon you if you stand by and do nothing for the third year in a row on the offchance you can get a Hard Brexit, chaos, and a government falling so you can inherit a mess to get a few policies through by some miracle in the middle of a failing economy and a world that looks on and laughs at the self-destructive lemmings.

 

Worst PM and leader of the opposition in my lifetime by quite some distance.

 

(*) keep an eye on 100 or so Labour MP's if Corbyn flails hopelessly about like a chimp chucked into a swimming pool before taking us all under.

 

May, of course, is just utterly useless in everything she does, says and tries.