I feel something does need to be done as we're still getting very stagnant charts or at least 'bottlenecks' where a bunch of tracks are bunged up unable to move. What the remedy is though I am unsure of!

Maybe if a user was capped to just 10 streams of a song in its lifetime then songs would naturally fall away quicker. I suspect many streams of Ladbroke Grove etc are from people who have already played it 10 times and still enjoy it so that would naturally be a few places lower without the need for ACR.

 

This will also somewhat solve the problem the OCC are going to have with just about every Christmas classic coming back to the chart every year.

That’s not a bad idea, reduce the number of streams a person can impact on the charts rather than the current system and the movement would be much better. In the context of iTunes and CDs, we’d only (usually) buy it once and repeat it so maybe 10 streams by one person for one song counts as a sale and that’s it

Is Sorry set to go on ACR anytime soon, could we see about half the top 10 hitting ACR at the same time?

That’s not a bad idea, reduce the number of streams a person can impact on the charts rather than the current system and the movement would be much better. In the context of iTunes and CDs, we’d only (usually) buy it once and repeat it so maybe 10 streams by one person for one song counts as a sale and that’s it

I think that's a great way to solve the issue and it would help level up streaming points aswell.

I suspect if users were capped to 10 streams per song forever it wouldn't change the chart as drastically as some people here would like it to.

The real long runners like Shotgun would be a little bit lower but there'd also be a lot of casual users who enjoy the song and still haven't given it 10 streams yet.

Maybe if a user was capped to just 10 streams of a song in its lifetime then songs would naturally fall away quicker. I suspect many streams of Ladbroke Grove etc are from people who have already played it 10 times and still enjoy it so that would naturally be a few places lower without the need for ACR.

 

This will also somewhat solve the problem the OCC are going to have with just about every Christmas classic coming back to the chart every year.

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(I still think this is a very good idea, obviously we can't see what the OCC can potentially see so we'll never know for sure but I certainly think it's worth a try)

Its a good idea problen is it will make sales look really weak

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(I still think this is a very good idea, obviously we can't see what the OCC can potentially see so we'll never know for sure but I certainly think it's worth a try)

well maybe I changed my mind a bit. :P

but it’s impossible to say what effect it would have without looking at such data that we don’t have so who knows really.

people have been suggesting this since day 1, same for albums, a proper cap would be much better than ACR, which is totally random...

 

but I actually think the problem then, weekly "sales" would be much much lower than they already are,

sure if a chunk of streams didn't count for Dance Monkey cos I've streamed it 50 times already, and same for many users, streams would be lower

and the occ doesn't seem to like that...

I actually agreed with danG's original post that Pete quoted above - I doubt a cap would have the intended impact. Think about it like this: with streaming, music consumption is reaching far more people than singles sales (physical or digital) ever did, so that means the average listener is later in discovering songs they like. Those songs which have a larger reach generally take longer to do so - it's not just people streaming the same songs 100 times over.

 

If the OCC did ever introduce it, I'd say 10 is far too low and could end up turning the chart into Hot Hits and the like from which some people stream every song passively several times a week whether they like them or not, so would soon get to 10 plays on most of their current songs. 20 would be better, but I think the main reason a cap hasn't been implemented is the sheer amount of data to track (every streaming account x every song ever) making it unfeasible - at least for now.

 

Going back to the thread topic, I think one of the reasons several songs have avoided it for so long is the Bank Holiday weekend 6 weeks ago and the good weather 3 weeks ago, when most of the Top 10 got a boost. It's a bit of a fluke occurrence. I'm actually looking forward to 6 or 7 songs from the top 12 or so going to ACR at the same time next week, as it's never happened before and will make room for some 'fresher' songs (and perhaps Take Me Back To London) to refill the Top 10 in their wake.

^man you're underestimating the power of technology and data analysis, of course they can track and cap what you listen, they already do that, there is already a daily cap, so making a total cap wouldn't make a difference and it's the easiest thing to do

Obviously the streaming companies have that data but would need the incentive from the OCC to use it in that way. I think the daily cap is different as it's built into existing metrics e.g. weekly Spotify tables already exclude >10 plays a day - but not 100% sure

Ladbroke Grove... is going to ACR?!?!

(full update is coming)

For week ending 17th October!

 

1ST 6 | Song is in its first six weeks in the chart so is not affected by ACR.

Aitch feat. ZieZie - Buss Down

AJ Tracey - Cat Pack

Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus & Lana Del Rey - Don't Call Me Angel

Billie Eilish - all the good girls go to hell

blackbear - hot girl bummer

Camila Cabello - Cry for Me

Camila Cabello - Liar

D-Block Europe feat. Dave - Playing For Keeps

D-Block Europe feat. Lil Baby - Nookie

Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours

Dave - Professor X

Dermot Kennedy - All My Friends

Dermot Kennedy - Power Over Me

Drake - Behind Barz

Ed Sheeran feat. Camila Cabello & Cardi B - South of the Border

Elderbrook & Rudimental - Something About You

Fredo - Freddy

French Montana feat. Post Malone, Cardi B & Rvssian - Writing on the Wall

Halsey - Graveyard

Jax Jones & Ella Henderson - This Is Real

JAY1 - 4AM In Coventry

Juice WRLD & YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Bandit

Lil Tecca - Love Me

Maroon 5 - Memories

Niall Horan - Nice to Meet Ya

NSG - Trust Issues

Post Malone - Circles

Post Malone - Saint-Tropez

Post Malone feat. Ozzy Osbourne & Travis Scott - Take What You Want

RAYE - Love Me Again

Riton & Oliver Heldens feat. Vula - Turn Me On

SHAED - Trampoline

Stay Flee Get Lizzy presents Tory Lanez, Fredo & Popcaan - 2 Cups

Stormzy - Sounds of the Skeng

Stormzy - Wiley Flow

Summer Walker - Playing Games

Summer Walker & Usher - Come Thru

Summer Walker feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie - Stretch You Out

The Script - The Last Time

Tiësto & Mabel - God Is a Dancer

Tion Wayne & JAY1 - 2 On 2

Travis Scott - HIGHEST IN THE ROOM

YNW Melly feat. 9lokknine - 223's

Yves V feat. Afrojack & Icona Pop - We Got That Cool

 

SCR | Song is older than six weeks but is currently on zero weeks of decline.

Dermot Kennedy - Outnumbered

Jorja Smith feat. Burna Boy - Be Honest

Khalid feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie - Right Back

Lauv feat. Anne-Marie - fuck, i'm lonely

Lil Tjay - F.N

Regard - Ride It

Sam Feldt feat. RANI - Post Malone

The Chainsmokers & ILLENIUM feat. Lennon Stella - Takeaway

Tones and I - Dance Monkey

 

DCL-1 | Song has declined for one week.

D-Block Europe - Home P*ssy

Lewis Capaldi - Bruises

Lizzo - Truth Hurts

Normani - Motivation

 

DCL-2 | Song has declined for two consecutive weeks.

Headie One - Both

Koffee - Toast

Lizzo - Good As Hell

Miley Cyrus - Slide Away

Sam Fender - Will We Talk?

Taylor Swift - Lover

Y2K & bbno$ - Lalala

 

DCL-3 | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and will be on ACR in the next chart.

AJ Tracey - Ladbroke Grove

Dominic Fike - 3 Nights

Jax Jones & Bebe Rexha - Harder

Joel Corry - Sorry

Kygo & Whitney Houston - Higher Love

Lil Nas X - Panini

Lil Tecca - Ransom

Megan Thee Stallion feat. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign - Hot Girl Summer

Sam Fender - Hypersonic Missiles

Sam Smith - How Do You Sleep?

Solardo & Eli Brown - XTC

Young T & Bugsey feat. Aitch - Strike a Pose

 

ACR | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and has its streaming values halved.

Aitch - Taste (Make It Shake)

Ariana Grande & Social House - boyfriend

Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho

Billie Eilish - bad guy

Calvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant

Chris Brown feat. Drake - No Guidance

Dave feat. Burna Boy - Location

Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid - Beautiful People

Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London

Freya Ridings - Castles

George Ezra - Shotgun

Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow

Lewis Capaldi - Hold Me While You Wait

Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved

Lil Nas X - Old Town Road

Mabel - Mad Love

Meduza feat. GOODBOYS - Piece of Your Heart

MIST feat. Fredo - So High

RUSS & Tion Wayne - Keisha & Becky

Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita

Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well

Stormzy - Vossi Bop

Tiësto, Jonas Blue & Rita Ora - Ritual

Tom Walker - Just You and I

 

RESET | Song has seen an increase of over 25% in streams and will be returning to SCR next week.

 

Yes, that's right - half of the top ten is going to ACR next week!

Here's hoping the mass ACR cull will help Harry Styles chart higher this week! :kink:

Ooh, hopefully Jorja can go top 5/10 this week then! :o

Oh Joseph you made my Friday Thank you update

Wow 5 songs from the current top 10 going ACR

Plus sam smith and lil tecca