See! You can’t do it! That’s the third time I’ve ask you to give a reason as to why Johnson’s deal is so good but you ignored me all three times and spout propaganda nonsense that has zero substance instead :lol:

You can’t even say why Johnson’s attempt at a deal is better than May’s deal.

 

Please just explain how it solves the issue with Ireland

 

 

I agree it's not much better at all but after when, 3 years of negotiations, will we get a better deal? We have to leave. The electorate decided that. Anything else like revoking A50 would be unthinkable.

See! You can’t do it! That’s the third time I’ve ask you to give a reason as to why Johnson’s deal is so good but you ignored me all three times and spout propaganda nonsense that has zero substance instead :lol:

 

 

See my reply. It's not much different to May's but if it may get through Parliament, and it just may now, then the EU should give it a chance. Read what a lot of the UK press are saying. This is all Varadkar's fault. Read the comments below articles too. Vitriol against Varadkar is intense. Threats against him even for frustrating Brexit.

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If this new deal isn't acceptable to the EU then what would be?

 

*The May Withdrawal Deal (or some form of it) agreed back in November 2018 ?

*Literally any other deal that respects the GFA (e.g. EFTA).

I agree it's not much better at all but after when, 3 years of negotiations, will we get a better deal? We have to leave. The electorate decided that. Anything else like revoking A50 would be unthinkable.

But it’s not a case of ‘this’ll do’ and a half arsed effort to pretend you’ve tried. A strong leader comes up with real solutions.

 

Leaving with the current proposed deals or leaving with no deal does not solve the Ireland issue. That needs to be solved before any action is taken on leaving the EU.

It's propaganda you utter fool.

The referendum result of 50 50 i.e A NOREAY MODEL WHICH LEAVE CAMPAIGNED ON would be an acceptable deal. This horseshit is just to fool blinkered gullible village idiots like yourself x

But it’s not a case of ‘this’ll do’ and a half arsed effort to pretend you’ve tried. A strong leader comes up with real solutions.

 

Leaving with the current proposed deals or leaving with no deal does not solve the Ireland issue. That needs to be solved before any action is taken on leaving the EU.

 

Okay so if you were PM now what would you think was the answer? There seems to me no way around the Ireland issue to please everyone. I can't see one.

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Why can't we do what Boris wants. Leave with no deal on 31st then sort Ireland and trade deals and the finer points out. I fail to see why. Boris seems to think it would be okay and I trust our PM.

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Okay so if you were PM now what would you think was the answer? There seems to me no way around the Ireland issue to please everyone. I can't see one.

A custom’s union

New Parliament with dozens and dozens of new Brexit Tory MP's.

But we don't have a new parliament. We have the parliament elected in 2017.

Why can't we do what Boris wants. Leave with no deal on 31st then sort Ireland and trade deals and the finer points out. I fail to see why. Boris seems to think it would be okay and I trust our PM.

Because you still have to sort the problem out at a later date (to which they cannot even find a solution to now) and your bargaining position is extremely weaker sitting on the outside. As well as the fact that our economy will shrink by over 5% if we are to crash out October 31

 

And Ireland would be a major issue

I agree it's not much better at all but after when, 3 years of negotiations, will we get a better deal? We have to leave. The electorate decided that. Anything else like revoking A50 would be unthinkable.

NO THEY DIDN'T. Why will you not accept that the referendum was advisory? That is a fact as basic as the fact that tomorrow is Tuesday.

See my reply. It's not much different to May's but if it may get through Parliament, and it just may now, then the EU should give it a chance. Read what a lot of the UK press are saying. This is all Varadkar's fault. Read the comments below articles too. Vitriol against Varadkar is intense. Threats against him even for frustrating Brexit.

How is it Varadkar's fault? He is looking after the interests of Ireland. That's his job.

 

The (largely foreign-owned) UK press is hardly an impartial observer on this issue.

Okay if you were PM now what would you think was the answer. There seems to me no way around the Ireland issue to please everyone. I can't see one.

 

Oh come on Chris, there are very clear ways to solve the Ireland issue - many of which were possible through the WA (thrice voted down by the Brextreemists on the Conservative benches), but they require compromises which some were prepared to countenance before the referendum but seemingly nothing will placate them now.. you can't have frictionless trade without accepting some form of Customs Union, that's a fact. I voted remain but was quite prepared to accept, given the result, leaving the EU but retaining a close relationship say through membership of EFTA and the EEA. Like you and many others I am completely sick of Brexit now, however exiting on to WTO rules would be extremely damaging and disproportionately affect the most vulnerable and poorest in society; I (and I'm sure you too deep down) am therefore completely against such an outcome simply to 'get it done' in a completely half-arsed manner, because it won't be the end - there will be 10 or more years of negotiations from a much weaker position with consequences that may continue for many, many decades. I wasn't a fan of having a second referendum, but I have slowly come round to it as the ONLY way of solving the deadlock.

Okay so if you were PM now what would you think was the answer? There seems to me no way around the Ireland issue to please everyone. I can't see one.

The simplest question ever. Revoke Article 50.

Why can't we do what Boris wants. Leave with no deal on 31st then sort Ireland and trade deals and the finer points out. I fail to see why. Boris seems to think it would be okay and I trust our PM.

If you trust him then you’re an absolute eejit.

 

A few reasons we can’t crash out without a deal then negotiate something:

 

- We are in a substantially weaker position to negotiate from

- Our economy will be weak

- The EU won’t start negotiations with us until we settle our accounts

- The EU won’t accept anything that goes against the GFA

- We will be breaking the GFA

- Walking away from the EU like this makes us look untrustworthy amongst the international diplomatic community

- The US Congress will block any and all trade negotiations because we’ve f***ed it on the GFA

- We f***ed Ireland over who will do us ZERO favours and then have a right of veto over ANY deal with the EU

 

Am not even trying here tbh

NO THEY DIDN'T. Why will you not accept that the referendum was advisory? That is a fact as basic as the fact that tomorrow is Tuesday.

 

Yes it was advisory so why did May trigger A50 then? Why didn't she ignore the result and say it was just advisory? This Conservative government has decided to implement the result and leave. So we must leave. We can't keep changing our minds just to please the Remoaners.

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The simplest question ever. Revoke Article 50.

 

 

Then 17.4 million people will feel betrayed. It's setting one half of the country against the other, bit like a civil war.

The simplest question ever. Revoke Article 50.

 

I completely disagree with this - if you want to erode or even destroy trust and faith in democracy further by all means, but otherwise we need to make the case for remain and reform and WIN the debate. That involves looking at the underlying reasons for the vote in the first place*, and acting to address these issues.

 

 

 

* I don't mean banning/burning the Daily Mail and the Sun (though that would help).