It's pleasing, but they will bounce back in the polls. I do think what it is starting to show however is that huge gap that was there and undoubtedly was related to Brexit has now gone anyway. Be interesting to see what happens this time around if we have any form of restrictions/lockdown- not so sure the polls will be as kind this time around either. I do wonder if the Tories switched leader whether they would have a bounce, but ultimately Boris is box office for the Tories and there is no-one like him in the wings.

 

I know lots of people on here are not enthused by Starmer and the fact he is not nearly as radical as Corbyn and the left of the Party is. I really do think though that there is a massive opportunity here, but it needs both sides of the Party to remember the common goal and enemy. Not so sure the Tories would call an early election now either seeing as they have mad such a fuk up with Brexit and inflation.

There was another poll (Deltapoll) released yesterday that increased the Tory lead from 1 to 3 albeit some of the polling was taken on the day of the shameful vote so events might not have been reflected.

Tory collapse and Green surge :cheeseblock:

 

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I doubt it will last long, but its good to finally see something take the shine off

I doubt it will last long, but its good to finally see something take the shine off

 

They will bounce back for sure, but these polls are front loaded I believe, so think this will have been done right before the scandal properly took off. Positive news though, I think as long as Labour can keep their own PR as in-house as possible, that definitely has an effect.

Nice to see one of their many f*** ups finally put a proper dent in their polling numbers. I've been seeing a lot of criticism from Tory supporters and right leaning newspapers as well.

And I Oop...

 

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I do hope the success of the greens in the polls will reflect in the next election. Although I doubt it.

I think labour have twigged getting people in the red wall not to like the Tories is as important as getting them to like Labour again.

 

I imagine we'll have attacks on the government for the next 6-12 months followed by a relatively centrist policy platform after that

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I do hope the success of the greens in the polls will reflect in the next election. Although I doubt it.

With 10% of the vote, the Greens will still only win one seat. If Caroline Lucas chooses to retire, even that one seat is by no means certain.

With 10% of the vote, the Greens will still only win one seat. If Caroline Lucas chooses to retire, even that one seat is by no means certain.

 

Really? Since gaining the seat, Caroline has increased her majority in every election. It's quite the gap now. I would assume even if a different green member were to go for the seat that they would win.

 

In terms of gaining more MPs - it is a shame that 10% would only net them 1 seat. But at the same time 10% is a great result they could build from. The other seats they do decently in are labour seats that have a pretty big majority. It would be something if they could switch one of those to greens with a massive swing.

 

I'm just hoping the next election will leave the conservatives with a much reduced majority or even create a hung parliament by which a coalition government is needed.

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Really? Since gaining the seat, Caroline has increased her majority in every election. It's quite the gap now. I would assume even if a different green member were to go for the seat that they would win.

 

In terms of gaining more MPs - it is a shame that 10% would only net them 1 seat. But at the same time 10% is a great result they could build from. The other seats they do decently in are labour seats that have a pretty big majority. It would be something if they could switch one of those to greens with a massive swing.

 

I'm just hoping the next election will leave the conservatives with a much reduced majority or even create a hung parliament by which a coalition government is needed.

 

The Greens, Labour and the Lib Dems need to sit down and have a honest chat before the next election.

Really? Since gaining the seat, Caroline has increased her majority in every election. It's quite the gap now. I would assume even if a different green member were to go for the seat that they would win.

 

In terms of gaining more MPs - it is a shame that 10% would only net them 1 seat. But at the same time 10% is a great result they could build from. The other seats they do decently in are labour seats that have a pretty big majority. It would be something if they could switch one of those to greens with a massive swing.

 

I'm just hoping the next election will leave the conservatives with a much reduced majority or even create a hung parliament by which a coalition government is needed.

Caroline is very popular. The Green party in general are not so popular here, particularly as they are not exactly doing a great job running the council.

Caroline is very popular. The Green party in general are not so popular here, particularly as they are not exactly doing a great job running the council.

 

And that's the problem with the Green Party on a local level. I support the need for us to be greener, as obviously do a lot of people, but a lot of their solutions to the problems tend to end up either moving the problem elsewhere, or creating an even bigger problem. Not sure what they are like so much at a national level, but there's always a distinct lack of pragmatism in my experience at a local level.

 

There's definitely a big ticket for Labour/Conservatives to ride on though with going green if done right.

Reckon Bristol West has an outside chance of going Green. Lots of council gains earlier this year.

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(it's one poll!

 

but also this is what we like to see)

 

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Greens have started gaining council seats in places where there isn't really much of an alternative but Tory, if anything, that'll be how they make inroads and they're going to need to provide some good council results and gain more of a media profile among environment news - just think that UKIP was doing much better with that sort of vote share but that's because our insane press was happy to use them as a stick to beat the Tories with back then

Oh I spoke too soon in the other thread (can’t blame me for being pessimistic) when saying Tories are still leading spite everything. Something seems to have switched - dare we dream?

Yeah the polls are great right now - shows the public is dissatisifed, I think that kind of swing in the polls could take 80-100 seats off the Tories. Definitely gives the sense that the next election might be closer, probably rests on Labour trying to convince those people who didn't vote Labour in 2019 it's safe to send them their vote again. I think these polls historically happen though, so no guarantee it will translate, but probably hopeful the next election will not see the Tories with a huge majority.

There's also this piece that's now surfacing:

 

At least 15 MPs letting homes and renting another on expenses

 

At least 15 MPs are each letting out a London home for more than £10,000 a year while renting another property on expenses, the BBC has found.

 

The MPs, of whom 13 are Conservatives and three are ministers, are claiming up to £22,920 a year for rent payments.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59259342

 

Labour need to keep pushing the sleaze angle as it's really hurting the Tories.

As Peter Oborne tweeted last week - say it quietely, but it looks like this is finally the beginning of the end for Boris Johnson. Thank fuck. Wonder if they'll (The Tories, that is) dispose of him before the next GE in an unashamed attempt to shapeshift and distance themselves from him? I just find them ALL so unbelievably out-of-touch and infuriating.. taking the £80/month boost from UC and then whinging that £82,000 a year, plus expenses, is hard to get by on...