And yet they didn't know Sanders is the most popular politician in the country... Also, r.e his congress seats: one he flipped which had been Rep for 30 years. The other? 100 years.

How about you don’t put words in my mouth. I relayed the perspective in South Carolina, not the whole country and as Iz notes he was not popular there last time. Unlike you, my friend is actually on the ground there in the state. Has a Republican family that really struggled with whether or not to vote trump in 2016 and these are the types of wavering votes the Democrats need to capture. Clinton and Sanders were both massive turn offs to this demographic.

South Carolina is hardly on the Democratic win list, especially following a defeat. Hillary was deeply unpopular in contrast to Sanders' almost univwrsal appeal.

Marianne Williamson has reportedly laid off all her campaign staff, so will likely drop out of the race fairly soon (you can't run a campaign on good vibes alone). It's probably been worth it for her though, she's probably sold a shed-load of books off the back of it.

From CNN:

 

A new poll out today has a 3 way tie in Iowa between Biden, Sanders and Buttigieg all on 23%, Warren a little behind on 16%, but that would be enough to get her delegates.

Seems like this is going to end up a contested convention

 

Even tho Biden has been consistently ahead in national polls, it's never been a big enough lead to control the race, or to force others who are well funded and have a solid support base to drop out

 

Edit : New Hampshire poll out as well showing Sanders just ahead of Biden, with Buttigieg and Warren both around the delegate threshold

I predict it will all be very deja vu with 2016 in the early states, Biden will win Iowa by a whisker like Hillary did in 2016 and Bernie will bag New Hampshire.

I predict it will all be very deja vu with 2016 in the early states, Biden will win Iowa by a whisker like Hillary did in 2016 and Bernie will bag New Hampshire.

 

 

So who do you think will be the eventual nominee?

New Iowa poll makes for interesting reading:

 

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In other news, Marianne Williamson has officially ended her campaign, and Michael reached highly elevated levels of excitement.

What does a Klobuchar voter look like I don't get it.

Also really trying hard not to follow this but...urgh.

 

Honestly American politics is bad because it manages to be both spectacularly depressing while still being pretty boring compared to most countries.

Other polls are also looking good for Sanders - the latest Ipsos poll actually puts him ahead nationally, though it's worth noting they also included Don't Knows in their data so the margins look more like this:

 

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https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/c...1_10_2020_0.pdf

 

Still the first poll he's been first in nationwide for some time. He's also doing very well on policy while Biden is still riding on a veneer of 'electability'.

 

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Also interesting is that Tom Steyer has worked his way into strong 10%+ places in Nevada and South Carolina polls. I think someone's been using their billionaire funds to get on the debate stage.

Donald Trump, after attacking Biden and getting impeached over illegally investigating him, has realised something: Bernie is gonna win as momentum is on his side. He has been attacking him non-stop instead! :rofl: His attacks are pathetically bad. Looks like you got impeached attacking the wrong person, ey, Donnie!

I think you will faint if Sanders becomes president mate won't you?!

Donald Trump, after attacking Biden and getting impeached over illegally investigating him, has realised something: Bernie is gonna win as momentum is on his side. He has been attacking him non-stop instead! :rofl: His attacks are pathetically bad. Looks like you got impeached attacking the wrong person, ey, Donnie!

 

What does 'win' even mean in this context? :unsure:

 

ISTM Bernie Sanders is America's version of Corbyn, i.e. too left-leaning to ever get elected - but time will tell...

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If it is Sanders Trump and Pence will surely go on a lot about his heart attack. Expect a dirty contest from Trump. He wants a second term. A loss wouldn't auger well for Ivanka becoming the first female president, maybe in 2032 if Trump wins and Pence wants a go. She may even stand next time.

Didn't Trump also have a heart attack very recently? :unsure:

Didn't Trump also have a heart attack very recently? :unsure:

 

 

Rumours abound but the official line is that he went to hospital to have the first part of his annual check and also visit the son of a good friend.

Actually, that is a point, part of Trump's winning strategy was looking like a winner, looking like the active participant against Clinton's reactivity. That's gone against Sanders because he's a firebrand himself. And a key part of what also sets him apart from Corbyn, as much as anti-Sanders people will be keen to make that comparison.

 

Heart attacks are here or there, because it's what it'll look like that matters and Bernie would most likely be looking very energetic on the debate stage. Trump in comparison has looked lethargic in recent public appearances. Their lifestyles couldn't be further apart. He's not well.

What does 'win' even mean in this context? :unsure:

 

ISTM Bernie Sanders is America's version of Corbyn, i.e. too left-leaning to ever get elected - but time will tell...

 

1. Bernie is the most popular politician in the states

2. Bernie took a congress seat from Repukes that had been theirs for 100 years

3. Bernie appeals to independents

4. Bernie is fierce

5. The media already tried to use anti-semitism against him after using it against Corbyn. But they forgot one thing: Bernie is Jewish. The attack died as soon as it started.

1. Bernie is the most popular politician in the states

2. Bernie took a congress seat from Repukes that had been theirs for 100 years

3. Bernie appeals to independents

4. Bernie is fierce

5. The media already tried to use anti-semitism against him after using it against Corbyn. But they forgot one thing: Bernie is Jewish. The attack died as soon as it started.

 

I notice you don't dispute the left-leaning part...

and?

 

Dull moderates have a pretty bad track record of getting elected in America too. Electability, in such a form as to exclude the left from political power, is an argument with no substance.

 

If Trump is viewed negatively, and if Sanders is the candidate and is viewed as the answer to Trump, he will win. By that point it becomes a binary. If he is the candidate, then there will undoubtedly be inspiration and positivity behind his campaign that will put him in with a great chance. Which is something I wouldn't say about most of the other Democratic campaigns.