so you would just let the country rot in the hands of current leader who is racist, bigot, homophobic, you name it and you would decide not fighting and vote to get him out?!!!

 

To vote for another racist and probable rapist? Why can there only be 2

 

Biden lost me as soon as he said “you ain’t black”

Edited October 26, 20204 yr by No Sleeep

If I was American I would honestly not vote... I’d refuse to just vote for who is the least racist and rapey. Doesn’t anybody else remember Biden’s “you ain’t black” moment... Tara Reade...

 

I can definitely empathise with this view point but it isn't the right call- apathy is what the far-right want as it allows them to strengthen their marginal/fringe vote.

 

I would have preferred Bernie Sanders to be the Democratic nominee for President, but he isn't. You have witnessed the division and fear that has been whipped up through Trump's Presidency, surely you wouldn't want that to continue under any circumstance and would do anything possible to stop it ?

I can definitely empathise with this view point but it isn't the right call- apathy is what the far-right want as it allows them to strengthen their marginal/fringe vote.

 

I would have preferred Bernie Sanders to be the Democratic nominee for President, but he isn't. You have witnessed the division and fear that has been whipped up through Trump's Presidency, surely you wouldn't want that to continue under any circumstance and would do anything possible to stop it ?

 

I guess so but... this attempt to rebrand him as a cute old open-minded grandpa, I’m just not falling for it. Not to mention, a 78 year old should not be running for President. America needs to get itself together. The ONLY reason I’d vote for him is the distant hope that Kamala would have to take over one day

I can definitely understand a lack of excitement about the choices, but I would always vote. It isn’t a given that everyone across the world has a voice in who represents them and I have and would always exercise that right (much as my vote almost never matters).

 

In terms of Biden v Trump more specifically I think it’s a choice between someone who is an avowed, proud racist, sexist, misogynist, xenophobe, sexual predator, fraudster, liar, charlatan to name many many characteristics and Biden who has absolutely made some unfortunate choices both in policy and wording (for example “you ain’t black” isn’t racist in my eyes, rather showing the general lack of gratitude towards black voters from the Democratic Party ie. voting against their own interests) but at least tries to make things better. It’s not a perfect choice and he is far from a perfect candidate, but it’s absolutely not a battle of equals. Much as 2016 was not and people still equivocated Trump into office.

To vote for another racist and probable rapist? Why can there only be 2

 

Biden lost me as soon as he said “you ain’t black”

 

No one is saying Biden is an angel but what we already witnessed and what we saw what Trump is capable during 4 years in the office, oh hell yes I am going to vote!!!

 

You really MUST live in America not to only see what's happening but feel the fear and anger of the damages he's done!!!

 

So you really can't comment if you were American and wouldn't vote...it's easy for you to say that and not be present and live through Trump presidential!!!

 

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After reading my comment, I just want to clarify that I am saying this in the nicest way, I didn't mean to come across as I am attacking you or anything like that.

Saying 'they're both terrible, it doesn't matter' is underestimating just how corrupt, divided and hateful the country will become if Trump remains on, look at what's happened this year and that will carry on over the next four years if Trump remains on. He won't change anything and he's just becoming much more unhinged and it's already pushing what is democracy. Biden isn't a strong candidate by any means, but right now he's the only hope to start fixing the country (and the world's) many problems.

Biden lost me as soon as he said “you ain’t black”

 

Yes he definitely shouldn't have said that.

A good old douche vs turd dilemma.

If I lived in a state where the outcome was not in any doubt (California or Alaska, for example) then I would look to see if there were any alternative candidates worth voting for. If there was one, I'd vote for them. If nor, I'd vote for Biden.

 

If I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Biden without hesitation. I would even do so with a degree of enthusiasm although that would be enthusiasm for dumping Trump, not due to any particularly positive feeling towards Biden.

 

The thought of another four years of Trump really is scary. I feel sure that any conservative member of the Supreme Court over about 65 will be persuaded to retire so that Trump can nominate someone 20 years younger, thereby cementing the right-wing majority in place for decades to come. Obviously, if any more liberal judges go, that majority will be strengthened further.

 

A lot of Democrats clearly thought at the start of the year that they had little chance of winning. It must have seemed better to go for someone like Biden rather than a younger, more dynamic candidate who could have blown their chances of becoming president for good.

If I lived in a state where the outcome was not in any doubt (California or Alaska, for example) then I would look to see if there were any alternative candidates worth voting for. If there was one, I'd vote for them. If nor, I'd vote for Biden.

 

If you were in Alaska you could vote for the Alaskan Independence candidate! They are apparently conservative though, not left-wing nationalist. Anyway, there's only 6.1 points in the polls between Biden and Trump in Alaska. :o

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/...general/alaska/

 

Looks like the Republicans are going to have reduced majorities in even some of the safe red states.

Edited October 26, 20204 yr by Salty Melody

If I lived in a state where the outcome was not in any doubt (California or Alaska, for example) then I would look to see if there were any alternative candidates worth voting for. If there was one, I'd vote for them. If nor, I'd vote for Biden.

 

If I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Biden without hesitation. I would even do so with a degree of enthusiasm although that would be enthusiasm for dumping Trump, not due to any particularly positive feeling towards Biden.

 

The thought of another four years of Trump really is scary. I feel sure that any conservative member of the Supreme Court over about 65 will be persuaded to retire so that Trump can nominate someone 20 years younger, thereby cementing the right-wing majority in place for decades to come. Obviously, if any more liberal judges go, that majority will be strengthened further.

 

A lot of Democrats clearly thought at the start of the year that they had little chance of winning. It must have seemed better to go for someone like Biden rather than a younger, more dynamic candidate who could have blown their chances of becoming president for good.

 

Biden pulls the Centre Right though, which is what someone like Bernie could do, but would probably struggle. So those people who might have voted for Trump now see Biden as someone who isn't major left-wing, but not as bad as Trump. Like anyone Biden isn't the ideal candidate, but he's the right candidate at this moment in time, not just for America but for the rest of the world too. In a daft sort of way, the pandemic really was the best thing to happen to the Democrats as it really showed Trump up for the kind of leader he was to lots of ordinary Americans. Without Covid-19, I do think it would have been a struggle for the Democrats to win. To be a week away from the election and the Democrats are the favourites is mad.. imagine if we had said that in January 2020.

They have been trying to push Biden as a socialist puppet much to my amusement

The Democrats have such a big tent they need to play him as a centrist, socialist, pragmatic, decisive chameleon. It’s so much easier to run as a Republican - about the only accurate thing Trump has ever said.

They have been trying to push Biden as a socialist puppet much to my amusement

 

Yeah but that is just typical alt-right tactics, anyone is who isn't alt-right is a socialist.

 

Just been watching the ITV news report on the election - Jesus wept. Someone rightly said, whatever the result there's going to be chaos.

Each day that goes by brings another example of just how deranged Trump is. The idea that we could have another four years of this doesn't bear thinking about. Trump is now complaining that the reason the number of deaths is so high (after months of claiming the numbers are "remarkably low") is that doctors get more money for a Covid death so they are misreporting the cause of death. They do, of course, NOT get any more money for a Covid death so the claim is utter nonsense. Even if it was true, he would basically be accusing thousands of doctors of fraud. Regardless of whether Trump has committed any actual crimes, he could spend the rest of his life fighting slander cases.

Yeah but that is just typical alt-right tactics, anyone is who isn't alt-right is a socialist.

 

Just been watching the ITV news report on the election - Jesus wept. Someone rightly said, whatever the result there's going to be chaos.

 

Yeah because there is still some people who would react strongly to a Trump defeat and could commit acts of terrorism.

Trump is now complaining that the reason the number of deaths is so high (after months of claiming the numbers are "remarkably low") is that doctors get more money for a Covid death so they are misreporting the cause of death. They do, of course, NOT get any more money for a Covid death so the claim is utter nonsense. Even if it was true, he would basically be accusing thousands of doctors of fraud. Regardless of whether Trump has committed any actual crimes, he could spend the rest of his life fighting slander cases.

 

That wouldn't even explain 'excess deaths' (a total now exceeding 300,000) which are higher than the numbers reported as official deaths due to Covid-19, and unequivocally show the USA as having one of the worst death rates in the world.

 

He really is a complete idiot.

If I lived in a state where the outcome was not in any doubt (California or Alaska, for example) then I would look to see if there were any alternative candidates worth voting for. If there was one, I'd vote for them. If nor, I'd vote for Biden.

 

If I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Biden without hesitation. I would even do so with a degree of enthusiasm although that would be enthusiasm for dumping Trump, not due to any particularly positive feeling towards Biden.

this was exactly my thinking, living in Pennsylvania. I really questioned whether I was going to vote at all after Bernie lost (and after he looked like a serious front-runner for a while) but then I got over those feelings of disappointment and came to my senses.

 

I do think people not voting is very much half the problem and I wouldn't ever shame people for not voting, esp when in the past 2 decades the winner of the popular vote has lost twice. the electoral system in this country is a f***ing sham, to put it lightly

 

it helps not to put all of my faith in electoral politics and look at other avenues, which ive been learning to do

Edited October 26, 20204 yr by dhwitch

aye, voting is not an endorsement of everything your candidate stands for, it's an avenue to help influence the country's direction, a short bit of time out of your day before going back to the real work - and even just talking electorally, voting downballot/voting locally (in a UK context) is far more important in terms of relevant impacts than the top level. Normally, the Trump cult has changed things a little.

 

Organising to resist the system will be so much easier under a Biden presidency than a reboldened Trump second term it's not even funny. And reclaiming/stopping the spread of the Republican hysteria among so much of the populace won't work while they're in power.

 

 

if nothing else (I don't normally share videos from left Youtube - though I watch loads because I'm cursed) but ContraPoints has made an excellent piece on this:

 

my biggest concern is that parts of the electorate will go back to Obama-era complacency during a biden presidency, potentially opening the door for trump redux (ie trump but somehow worse) or blindly continuing to "back the blue" as they creep further to the right. either way this big-tent version of the democratic party won't hold forever and we need a robust left-wing movement (whether that's a contingent of democrats who continue to push back against centrist democrats or an actual third party) more than ever. I really dread to think about 2024 or 2028 and the needle once again shifting away from the democrats to whatever the Republican Party will become at that point... the next 4 or 8 years should be about creating a viable alternative to both come that time.

 

a lot of work to be done!

Edited October 27, 20204 yr by dhwitch