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So the Greens gained some voters off Labour we love to see!

 

Still work to do in any potential referendum to gain independence from the numbers!

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Demonstration of the effectiveness of unionist tactical voting. Without Tories, Willie potentially wouldn’t be in parliament at all! (Caveat I’d need to see the full MS&F list totals and run the maths to know for sure). But also a good argument for this seat being a bit of an outlier with a strong personal mandate

 

Picture reflected in Dumbarton and Aberdeenshire West and the borders as well. Here and Dumbarton is where the path to majority was lost as a borders seat would cost us a SS list seat. (Think Aberdeenshire would have been just out of reach without tactical voting)

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Seeing as this is the quasi Holyrood 2021 Elec Thread, SNP and Greens Are exploring a formal arrangement That could see Greens in Gov.

 

Notable in the thread is that she held talks with Labour on shared policy grounds as well. I feel like Anas, constitution aside where he is very much in the wrong on the question of should Scotland be allowed to hold indyref2, could work very well with the SNP on some areas of shared policy. A more collaborative approach to the recovery will benefit Scotland

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Scotland with a rather large natural decrease in population. This works out at -0.32% per year, which is a level that only Eastern Europe + Germany experience, and is likely to be compounded by net migration reversing at just the wrong moment due to UK government decisions. Extremely harmful.

 

I think this is a part of a broader pattern where Britain and Western Europe diverge markedly - but you can look at Britain and France in particular as they are two countries who have had remarkably similar populations and economies for a while now - due to a Brexit + covid shock in much the same way Poland and Ukraine followed very different paths after the fall of the iron curtain at the end of the 80s. Ukraine at the time had an identical GDP per capita and a population 35% bigger but is now five times poorer than Poland, and its population will soon fall below Poland's too.

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Hmm, but I'd consider 2020 to be an unusual year - yes, the broader theme of birth rates being low is there (and the reasons for that are a whole other debate) - but I don't think you can draw such dramatic conclusions from 1 fairly extreme and unrepresentative data point really. Besides this speaks nothing of net migration which has been by far a bigger driver of large-scale population changes in the UK since the 1990s, and we really don't know how that may change over the coming decades at all.
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Thought I would give this a bump with all the news about Boris, I for one think this just strengthens the need for another referendum, as a Scot I am embarrassed to even have him associated with my country and Scotland really needs to separate ASAP. The sooner the better
Thought I would give this a bump with all the news about Boris, I for one think this just strengthens the need for another referendum, as a Scot I am embarrassed to even have him associated with my country and Scotland really needs to separate ASAP. The sooner the better

 

Independence was never meant to be about the current government, otherwise much of the north of England would have buggered off years ago.

 

 

Except that the current government is a perfect demonstration of the so called democratic deficit that Indy supporters feel. He is loathed and his ideology is loathed. We want nothing to do with him, made that clear in 2019 and he just dismisses our representation and our devolved administration and makes bare powergrabs and erodes the powers of our government in Scotland to shore up his own ego and his own ideological projects.

 

Boris is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the UK and it’s governance

Except that the current government is a perfect demonstration of the so called democratic deficit that Indy supporters feel. He is loathed and his ideology is loathed. We want nothing to do with him, made that clear in 2019 and he just dismisses our representation and our devolved administration and makes bare powergrabs and erodes the powers of our government in Scotland to shore up his own ego and his own ideological projects.

 

Boris is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the UK and it’s governance

Exactly, well said! He just doesn’t understand about democracy, in the last election there was a pro Indy majority but he still dismisses the idea of another referendum. It’s not about what he wants, it’s what the majority of Scottish people want

I'm English and was pro the Union in the 2014 referendum. But now I cannot blame the Scottish to want a better future away from our ghastly Tory government and all the sleaze and fitlth that goes with it. Good luck to them!
Exactly, well said! He just doesn’t understand about democracy, in the last election there was a pro Indy majority but he still dismisses the idea of another referendum. It’s not about what he wants, it’s what the majority of Scottish people want

 

He dismisses it not because he doesn’t understand democracy it’s because he’s afraid that granting Indy2 now they would lose so he hopes the longer he can hold out into this decade the less likely it’ll happen as Sturgeon/SNP will start to make mistakes and lose support and power and so it’ll be put off for another generation! He knows exactly what he is doing.

Jacob Rees Mog being briefed by Silias on Newsnight calling Douglas Ross ‘not a big figure in Conservative politics’ 😂

I honestly cackled at that. He thinks the Scottish Secretary (who is even more useless/right wing c**t than DRoss) is more valuable set me off. The man couldn’t cut butter. The member for the 17th century cares more about who supports Brexit than anything else.

 

 

Lordy Lordy Lordy.

Yup he probably thinks the Secretary of State is still like the viceroy of an empire colony. The fact Irishmen have to rely on a (unionist) SOS to let us know whether we can have a independence poll shows how slavish we still are….why on Earth would any SOS agree to giving that, they aren’t neutral!
Jacob Rees Mog being briefed by Silias on Newsnight calling Douglas Ross ‘not a big figure in Conservative politics’ 😂

 

He'll have sent support for Scottish independence north of 55% !! Haha, brilliant.

  • 7 months later...
The Sunday Tomes are reporting that the Tories are considering changing the law so that 50% of the Scottish electorate would have to vote for independence for it to count. A reminder that roughly a third of the UK electorate voted in an advisory referendum to leave the EU.

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