January 31, 20205 yr Yeh seems to be more emotional than Scotland which has strong links with the crown whereas Ireland had its own system of governance before the plantations, a different culture and societal organisation which wasn't hugely dominated by the romans before the medieval era.
February 1, 20205 yr Unison has backed the holding of Indyref2 at a time selected by the democratically elected parliament of Scotland. This is big.
February 1, 20205 yr Yasssss The media are really trying to portray Scotland were celebrating Brexit with 20’people in George square but fail to mention the marches and protests of everywhere else
February 1, 20205 yr Unison has backed the holding of Indyref2 at a time selected by the democratically elected parliament of Scotland. This is big. Good news, need to pressure the British government from all quarters of society.
February 1, 20205 yr Yasssss The media are really trying to portray Scotland were celebrating Brexit with 20’people in George square but fail to mention the marches and protests of everywhere else BBC 1 and channel 4 which I was watching it was the opposite they were trying to show the contrast between London & Edinburgh!
February 2, 20205 yr Author Good news, need to pressure the British government from all quarters of society. Oh yes, I'm sure the tories will be impressed by the SNP's endorsement by an organisation that hates them... :rolleyes:
February 2, 20205 yr @1223896336921235461 Been 34.5 hrs and the EU are already queuing up like “feel like pure shit, just want Scotland back”
February 2, 20205 yr Oh yes, I'm sure the tories will be impressed by the SNP's endorsement by an organisation that hates them... :rolleyes: It doesn't matter the trade unions are still an important organisation in civil society and the Tory government works daily with them whether they like them or not. So it is an important endorsement.
February 2, 20205 yr By pure demographics alone, Scotland will vote to become independent within the next 10 years. Same with NI, demography is going towards nationalism too in many areas, the change of MP in North Belfast in the last election being a prime example (although there were other factors like anti-Brexitism there too) Indeed, and it is sad for me personally and not something that I particularly celebrate because I did used to believe in the union and the UK as a state.Same here, in NI there has been a growing sense of being 'Northern Irish' rather than 'British' or 'Irish' which appealed to me and I wanted Northern Ireland to remain as a sub-country. Always wondered what the difference between Scottish and Irish nationalism is? Maybe they are just different nations completely?! Well the SDLP are kind of equivalent to SNP for Irish nationalism - maybe a bit less radical. Sinn Fein would be more extreme nationalist than the SNP in terms of rhetoric, which is one of the reasons why they are defined as Irish republican rather than just Irish nationalist. Yes I know all Irish nationalists are 'technically' republican if they want a united Ireland but they don't all get defined as such. So Irish nationalism and Scottish nationalism, its Irish republicanism which is different. Edited February 2, 20205 yr by The S***e
February 2, 20205 yr I would disagree. I think the snp are similar to SF in terms of their social and economic views. The sdlp are quite to the right on both counts now. Just look at FF & FG they are republicans too. Think the point is that Ireland has developed differently to Scotland.
February 2, 20205 yr Boris Johnson set to launch £5m anti-independence ad blitz for Scotland. Funded by taxpayers of course. Mr Johnson hopes the taxpayer-funded ad campaign, reportedly set to launch around Valentine's Day, will convince voters in Scotland that they are better off remaining as part of the UK. Adverts talking up the common benefits of remaining in the Union are expected to run for around a year, appearing in cinemas, as well as on TV, radio and digital platforms. The campaign is set to coincide with the publication of a review by Conservative peer Lord Dunlop into new ways to strengthen the Union, established by former Prime Minister Theresa May. According to the Sunday Times, the report is expected to recommend better visibility of the government in devolved regions, including senior ministers holding meetings in areas outside London. But it will stop short of recommending a new 'Department for the Union'. Meanwhile, a government source told the paper of real fears inside Number 10 over the potential disruption of a second referendum, saying: "There is a consensus in Downing Street that this is the one issue - perhaps after Brexit - that could derail Johnson's premiership." It comes amid a claim there is real "empathy" for Nicola Sturgeon's ambitions to obtain full EU membership for Scotland among European leaders. In an interview set to shown on the Andrew Marr show, former European Council president Donald Tusk said membership for an independent Scotland would not be guaranteed, but added he felt "very Scottish, especially after Brexit". All 27 remaining EU member states would be required to accept any prospective application from an independent Scotland, but Spain and Belgium could block the plans over concerns about independence movements in their own countries. Pressed on the prospect of Scotland's future relationship with the bloc, the former senior EU leader said he wanted to "respect the internal debate in the United Kingdom".
February 2, 20205 yr Criticism tonight from all opposition parties that Boris should be stopped from wasting public money like on this and the Brexit ads launched when he became pm. Who can realistically stop him though? Love the bit about seeing more of ministers outside London. Boris's public appearances outside London during the election campaign, ie in Yorkshire, didn't go down too well. May have the opposite effect actually. :D Could we see the full UK Cabinet actually meeting in Scotland? :o Well they went to Sunderland on Friday so nearly there!! Edited February 2, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris
February 2, 20205 yr I feel like with the Unison backing there is some momentum now building towards a referendum being held in perhaps 2022, certainly I expect the new Labour leader to endorse the people of Scotland the right to self determination, though obviously not to support independence. It will be interesting to see how this plays out but I expect any intervention by the Conservative party, Boris Johnson etc. will only push the dial further towards a yes vote - though I expect it is already inevitable. So the argument that it is a waste of public money is pretty moot because I expect the SNP will welcome it! :D
February 3, 20205 yr Criticism tonight from all opposition parties that Boris should be stopped from wasting public money like on this and the Brexit ads launched when he became pm. Who can realistically stop him though? Love the bit about seeing more of ministers outside London. Boris's public appearances outside London during the election campaign, ie in Yorkshire, didn't go down too well. May have the opposite effect actually. :D Could we see the full UK Cabinet actually meeting in Scotland? :o Well they went to Sunderland on Friday so nearly there!! Fuccking GROSS!! How DARE they flaunt their power in our faces up here?? Sunderland was hit so so hard by Thatcher. The north east communities had to support them so that they didn't starve to death!! They can f*** right off and get out the north east and leave Scotland well alone!
February 3, 20205 yr Author Has anyone actually questioned why the UK should stay together? ISTM that if the Scots want to go, then we should let them. Let them stand on their own two feet if they can, but if not, don't expect the English to bail you out like we did after Darian.
February 3, 20205 yr Author No doubt this will just be dismissed as 'Tory propaganda', but... Nicola Sturgeon shamed as Dominic Raab exposes real reason for SNP independence obsession https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1236850/N...pendence-update
February 3, 20205 yr Dominic Raab was a prominent brexshiteer who didn’t know that we were an island and thus somewhat dependent on the smooth functioning of the Dover-Calais link. Second of all it’s the express. It’ll be “dismissed as Tory propaganda” because that’s what it is. The express is a work of fiction cover to cover
February 3, 20205 yr Author Dominic Raab was a prominent brexshiteer who didn’t know that we were an island and thus somewhat dependent on the smooth functioning of the Dover-Calais link. Second of all it’s the express. It’ll be “dismissed as Tory propaganda” because that’s what it is. The express is a work of fiction cover to cover On that basis, do you only trust the left-wing press to tell the truth then? :unsure: Edited February 3, 20205 yr by vidcapper
February 3, 20205 yr In this case most likely as the Express and Mail rarely talk about Scotland unless they need to attack something like independence so yes the propaganda attacks have started already. Bit like the whole JC is a anti-Semite over the past 5 years. No doubt that won't be mentioned if Starmer becomes labour leader as we all know he will be in the pockets of the establishment.
February 3, 20205 yr On that basis, do you only trust the left-wing press to tell the truth then? :unsure: No I don’t trust any of the media to tell me things without bias, so I consume multiple viewpoints. What I don’t do is ever read the Express or the Mail. Both are hate filled works of fiction that aren’t good enough for use as loo roll
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