Posted June 9, 20205 yr I’ve been looking at this and I’ve estimated the Top 50 for each chart this year without ACR and starring out. I don’t have access to any information other than the OCC charts and what is on this board so some of it is guesswork (for example this week I’m somewhat guessing where Stupid Love would be) but hopefully I’m not too far off. For ACR songs I’m doubling the estimated totals and taking off an allowance for paid for sales based on sales only positions. The conclusion? ACR and artist limits are probably good things overall - I tend to think 5 would be a better limit than 3 as it would have avoided absurdities like Ed Sheeran and Lewis Capaldi’s hits progressively starring and de-starring week on week a few months ago. I also think ACR could be phased in over, say,, 4 weeks to make chart runs look less ugly. W/E 11/6/20 (estimated peaks in brackets): 1 2 Rockstar (1) 2 1 Rain on me (1) 3 3 Blinding lights (1) 4 4 Rover (4) 5 5 Roses (1) 6 8 Toosie slide (2) 7 14 Breaking me (7) 8 7 Death bed (6) 9 - I dunno (9) 10 11 Dinner guest (10) 11 6 Say so (4) 12 9 Dance monkey (1) 13 10 Savage (5) 14 12 Lonely (5) 15 17 Break my heart (7) 16 16 Flowers (16) 17 18 Rain (3) 18 15 Don’t start now (2) 19 23 Don’t need love (19) 20 13 Stuck with u (6) 21 27 Watermelon sugar (21) 22 20 Physical (3) 23 - Sour candy (23) 24 32 Secrets (24) 25 19 Blueberry faygo (10) 26 26 This city (26) 27 24 Someone you loved (1) 28 22 If the world was ending (20) 29 - Stupid love (7) 30 28 Before you go (1) 31 25 Break up song (12) 32 29 Adore you (8) 33 34 Party girl (33) 34 38 Intentions (11) 35 35 Own it (2) 36 - ILY (36) 37 41 Kings and queens (37) 38 36 Tequila (26) 39 44 Better off without you (18) 40 21 Houdini (7) 41 - Alice (41) 42 - Ride it (2) 43 37 Falling (20) 44 30 Gooba (8) 45 43 Supalonely (23) 46 46 Don’t rush (35) 47 42 Boyfriend (13) 48 40 The box (2) 49 - Who’s that what’s that (49) 50 49 Think about things (49)
June 9, 20205 yr Thanks for this it’s so interesting how some songs would literally be in the chart for months and months if ACR didn’t exist. The charts are odd these days, I’d say at least 50/60% is artificial and based on playlists on streaming sites etc... It’s a shame it isn’t how it used to be as iTunes was literally built up of what people actually wanted to buy and consume rather than clicking into a predetermined playlist. I guess it’s all just progression though, I wonder what’s next after streaming!
June 9, 20205 yr that's actually not far off what the actual non-ACR chart looks like! as we're not allowed to reveal that chart this will make a fine substitute for the forum, thanks for compiling.
June 9, 20205 yr that's actually not far off what the actual non-ACR chart looks like! as we're not allowed to reveal that chart this will make a fine substitute for the forum, thanks for compiling. May I ask why?
June 9, 20205 yr the OCC don't make it public so we could get in trouble if we publicise it. Ah right, thank you
June 10, 20205 yr It would be interesting to see a full list of what would have been number 1 each week without ACR
June 10, 20205 yr It would be interesting to see a full list of what would have been number 1 each week without ACR I *think* this is correct. From the week ACR came into effect: 13/07/2017 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito 20/07/2017 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito 13/07/2017 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito 27/07/2017 DJ Khaled feat. Rihanna & Bryson Tiller - Wild Thoughts [Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito] 03/08/2017 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito 10/08/2017 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito 17/08/2017 Calvin Harris feat. Pharrell Williams, Katy Perry & Big Sean - Feels [Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito] 24/08/2017 Dua Lipa - New Rules [Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber - Despacito] 24/08/2017 Dua Lipa - New Rules 07/09/2017 Taylor Swift - Look What You Made Me Do 14/09/2017 Taylor Swift - Look What You Made Me Do 21/09/2017 Sam Smith - Too Good At Goodbyes 28/09/2017 Sam Smith - Too Good At Goodbyes 05/10/2017 Sam Smith - Too Good At Goodbyes 12/10/2017 Post Malone feat. 21 Savage - rockstar 19/10/2017 Post Malone feat. 21 Savage - rockstar 26/10/2017 Post Malone feat. 21 Savage - rockstar 02/11/2017 Post Malone feat. 21 Savage - rockstar 09/11/2017 Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug - Havana 16/11/2017 Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug - Havana 23/11/2017 Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug - Havana 30/11/2017 Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug - Havana 07/12/2017 Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug - Havana 14/12/2017 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 21/12/2017 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 28/12/2017 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 04/01/2018 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 11/01/2018 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 18/01/2018 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 25/01/2018 Eminem feat. Ed Sheeran - River 01/02/2018 Drake - God's Plan 08/02/2018 Drake - God's Plan 15/02/2018 Drake - God's Plan 22/02/2018 Drake - God's Plan 01/03/2018 Drake - God's Plan 08/03/2018 Drake - God's Plan 15/03/2018 Drake - God's Plan 22/03/2018 Drake - God's Plan 29/03/2018 Drake - God's Plan 05/04/2018 Rudimental feat. Jess Glynne, Macklemore & Dan Caplen - These Days [Drake - God's Plan] 12/04/2018 Lil Dicky feat. Chris Brown - Freaky Friday 19/04/2018 Drake - Nice for What 26/04/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 03/05/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 10/05/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 17/05/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 24/05/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 31/05/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 07/06/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 14/06/2018 Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss 21/06/2018 Jess Glynne - I'll Be There [Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa - One Kiss] 28/06/2018 Clean Bandit feat. Demi Lovato - Solo 05/07/2018 George Ezra - Shotgun 12/07/2018 George Ezra - Shotgun 19/07/2018 Baddiel & Skinner & The Lightning Seeds - 3 Lions 26/07/2018 Drake - In My Feelings 01/08/2018 Drake - In My Feelings 09/08/2018 Drake - In My Feelings 16/08/2018 Drake - In My Feelings 23/08/2018 George Ezra - Shotgun 30/08/2018 George Ezra - Shotgun 06/09/2018 benny blanco, Halsey & Khalid - Eastside 13/09/2018 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises 20/09/2018 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises 27/09/2018 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises 04/09/2018 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises 11/09/2018 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises 18/10/2018 Dave & Fredo - Funky Friday 25/10/2018 Calvin Harris & Sam Smith - Promises 01/11/2018 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow 08/11/2018 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow 15/11/2018 Ariana Grande - thank u, next 22/11/2018 Ariana Grande - thank u, next 29/11/2018 Ariana Grande - thank u, next 06/12/2018 Ariana Grande - thank u, next 13/12/2018 Ariana Grande - thank u, next 20/12/2018 Ariana Grande - thank u, next [Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You] 27/12/2018 LadBaby - We Built This City 03/01/2019 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho [Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You] 10/01/2019 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho 17/01/2019 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho 24/01/2019 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho 31/01/2019 Ariana Grande - 7 rings 07/02/2019 Ariana Grande - 7 rings 14/02/2019 Ariana Grande - 7 rings 21/02/2019 Ariana Grande - break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored 28/02/2019 Ariana Grande - 7 rings 07/03/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 14/03/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 21/03/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 28/03/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 04/04/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 11/04/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 18/04/2019 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 25/04/2019 Lil Nas X - Old Town Road 02/05/2019 Lil Nas X - Old Town Road 09/05/2019 Stormzy - Vossi Bop 16/05/2019 Stormzy - Vossi Bop 23/05/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 30/05/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 06/06/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 13/06/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 20/06/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 27/06/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 04/07/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 11/07/2019 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 18/07/2019 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 25/07/2019 Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid - Beautiful People [Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care] 01/08/2019 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 08/08/2019 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 15/08/2019 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 22/08/2019 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 29/08/2019 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 05/09/2019 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London 12/09/2019 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London 19/09/2019 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London 26/09/2019 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London 03/10/2019 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London 10/10/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 17/10/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 24/10/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 31/10/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 07/11/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 14/11/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 21/11/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 28/11/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 05/12/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 12/12/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 19/12/2019 Tones and I - Dance Monkey 26/12/2019 LadBaby - I Love Sausage Rolls 02/01/2020 Ellie Goulding - River [Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You] 09/01/2020 Stormzy feat. Ed Sheeran & Burna Boy - Own It [Tones and I - Dance Monkey] 16/01/2020 Stormzy feat. Ed Sheeran & Burna Boy - Own It [Tones and I - Dance Monkey] 23/01/2020 Stormzy feat. Ed Sheeran & Burna Boy - Own It [Tones and I - Dance Monkey] 30/01/2020 Eminem feat. Juice WRLD - Godzilla [Tones and I - Dance Monkey] 06/02/2020 Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 13/02/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 20/02/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 27/02/2020 Billie Eilish - No Time to Die 05/03/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 12/03/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 19/03/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 26/03/2020 SAINt JHN - Roses 02/04/2020 SAINt JHN - Roses [The Weeknd - Blinding Lights] 09/04/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 16/04/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 23/04/2020 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 30/04/2020 Michael Ball, Captain Tom Moore & The NHS Voices of Care Choir - You'll Never Walk Alone 07/05/2020 Live Lounge Allstars - Times Like These 14/05/2020 Drake - Toosie Slide [The Weeknd - Blinding Lights] 21/05/2020 DaBaby feat. Roddy Ricch - ROCKSTAR [The Weeknd - Blinding Lights] 28/05/2020 DaBaby feat. Roddy Ricch - ROCKSTAR 04/06/2020 Lady Gaga & Ariana Grande - Rain On Me 11/06/2020 DaBaby feat. Roddy Ricch - ROCKSTAR blue = songs that gained #1 because another song / other songs were on ACR. The SCR #1 is listed in square brackets.
June 10, 20205 yr let’s take a moment to appreciate if only there was no christmas or acr Tones and I would’ve beaten Bryan Adams record :cheeseblock:
June 10, 20205 yr let’s take a moment to appreciate if only there was no christmas or acr Tones and I would’ve beaten Bryan Adams record :cheeseblock: "If there was no Christmas" :lol:
June 10, 20205 yr Interesting to see which hits never would've made #1. The likes of 'Feels', 'I'll Be There', 'Beautiful People' and 'River' have always felt a bit non #1 in today's sales climate. Also interesting that 'These Days' and 'Own It' never would have made #1 despite all the success they've had! Also :cry: at Mariah being blocked multiple times.
June 10, 20205 yr let's also not forget that River would have missed the entire top 10 if all the Christmas classics weren't relegated to ACR, so in that sense it truly is the most baffling #1 hit of all time. (and that's before mentioning Alexa)
June 10, 20205 yr According to Alan Jones, Dance Monkey "would have fallen to No. 3 anyway" even without ACR at the end of its 11 weeks at #1 - so Own It would still have outsold it as well as the Ladbaby song. I think it would have gone back ahead of them the following week though.
June 10, 20205 yr According to Alan Jones, Dance Monkey "would have fallen to No. 3 anyway" even without ACR at the end of its 11 weeks at #1 - so Own It would still have outsold it as well as the Ladbaby song. I think it would have gone back ahead of them the following week though. It would've been #3 behind LadBaby and Mariah Carey. It still outsold Stormzy. edit - so it seems I’m wrong here.
June 10, 20205 yr That moment when ACR rules have given Ed Sheeran 2 additional #1s that wouldn't have reached #1 otherwise.
June 10, 20205 yr If he was counting Mariah then Wham! would have counted too. I thought Own It would have been just ahead, it did over 67k that week whereas Dance Monkey did just under 35k but at least 3k of that would have been pure sales, so less than 67k if back on SCR. Anyway Ladbaby happened...
June 10, 20205 yr That moment when ACR rules have given Ed Sheeran 2 additional #1s that wouldn't have reached #1 otherwise. Ed Sheeran will achieve his chart records no matter what rules are put in place he's that success-hungry.
June 10, 20205 yr According to Alan Jones, Dance Monkey "would have fallen to No. 3 anyway" even without ACR at the end of its 11 weeks at #1 - so Own It would still have outsold it as well as the Ladbaby song. I think it would have gone back ahead of them the following week though. I can confirm if Tones was on SCR that week, she would indeed be #3 behind LadBaby and Stormzy. On the "old rules" chart, she was #5: LadBaby #1, Wham! #2, Mariah #3, Stormzy #4, Tones #5.
June 10, 20205 yr So the only single to date denied a peak of #1 because of the ACR rule is “All I Want for Christmas Is You”!!
June 11, 20205 yr Yes, and given why ACR was originally brought in, with 3 weeks of consistent decline needed, it shouldn't have prevented songs reaching #1. The 3-year rule (which keeps older songs on permanent ACR that can't be reset) has prevented many Christmas songs from higher peaks, plus a few others (e.g. Thiago Silva, Aretha's You Make Me Feel...) - however the only songs I can only think of which weren't subjected to this rule and would have peaked higher if ACR didn't exist at all (not to be confused with 'if they had stayed on SCR a bit longer') are: The Greatest Show (peak #20, without ACR somewhere around #14 the following January) and Late Night Feelings (peak #30, without ACR somewhere around #24 when the album came out).
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