May 7, 20214 yr Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t popular everywhere, problem is Keir Starmer isn’t popular anywhere 😂 This sums up the problem really and why I can't really support them right now, love him or hate him, people certainly had an opinion on Corbyn, it may have worked against him in the end (though I don't think anyone would've won in those circumstances), but raising no reaction at all is not the way to bring this back. The underperformances don't surprise me (although again, I didn't expect anything different, with the vaccines/Brexit in full swing, the Tories are sadly quite untouchable atm whichever leader they have, but I still have hope that things could be different by the next general election providing the right steps are taken by the opposition). Great to see Lib Dems and Greens make some gains, there's some good news to be found if you do a bit of digging! I'm still holding my breath for London though even though Khan seems to have pulled ahead now, jeez :x
May 7, 20214 yr How has Johnson performed well? His dithering meant that the first lockdown was at least two weeks too late. The November lockdown was a month too late and he changed the rules for Christmas well after it was clear that his original plans would lead to disaster. The only thing that he has got right is to allow the NHS to oversee the vaccine rollout rather than outsource it to his pals. Yeah and despite those things people will still vote for him. Like I've said millions of times on here, we live in a bubble, we're politically engaged, most of us all live in nice-okish areas mainly in the South of England. We all need to ask ourselves why are people who are living below the poverty line voting Conservative.
May 7, 20214 yr Author Yeah and despite those things people will still vote for him. Like I've said millions of times on here, we live in a bubble, we're politically engaged, most of us all live in nice-okish areas mainly in the South of England. We all need to ask ourselves why are people who are living below the poverty line voting Conservative. Just look at my posts on Liverpool and Northants.
May 7, 20214 yr How has Johnson performed well? His dithering meant that the first lockdown was at least two weeks too late. The November lockdown was a month too late and he changed the rules for Christmas well after it was clear that his original plans would lead to disaster. The only thing that he has got right is to allow the NHS to oversee the vaccine rollout rather than outsource it to his pals. This! :lol: If Johnson was a labour politican, you bet the conservatives would be calling for his resignation given everything that's happened under him and his government. I mean he had an affair with a woman who he gave over £100,000 of tax payers money to... I'm still surprised that didn't blow up like it should have.
May 7, 20214 yr Starmer needs to make sure his name is in the news. Infamy is what propelled Johnson and Farage to their prominence. Or at least, if Starmer can't, someone in the party needs to. I get the impression Starmer's Labour is very student politics-y "but we have to play by all the rules you guys" while Boris and co are over in the other corner actively setting the chessboard on fire while the public and media lap it up.
May 7, 20214 yr Just look at my posts on Liverpool and Northants. Liverpool would never ever vote Tory and the Indy candidate actually ran Labour really close there.
May 7, 20214 yr Yeah and despite those things people will still vote for him. Like I've said millions of times on here, we live in a bubble, we're politically engaged, most of us all live in nice-okish areas mainly in the South of England. We all need to ask ourselves why are people who are living below the poverty line voting Conservative. I don't think people are voting for Boris himself. I still think there's an element of the brexit vote heavily entrenched currently, add to the fact the amazing vaccine rollout by the NHS which is being pinned as a tory success. There's also people who feel labour have shifted focus from the working class and so will vote for a different party. It doesn't help that the conservative government is being very manipulative - particularly with funding. Tory MP places getting extra money than others etc. I also think there's a massive case of apathy with the electorate unfortunately.
May 7, 20214 yr Doesn’t mean much but here’s the seat predictions if today’s totals were a GE result: BBC House of Commons projection based on local election results CON: 327 (-38) LAB: 226 (+23) LDM: 24 (+13) OTH: 73 (+2) Quite the fall from the 80 seat majority! Edited May 7, 20214 yr by steve201
May 7, 20214 yr Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t popular everywhere, problem is Keir Starmer isn’t popular anywhere 😂 Starmer reminds me of Jo Swinson. Wildly hailed as the perfect leader on arrival with a large majority in their leadership contests. Then immediately in they demonise the left wing and leave Johnson unscathed. First big electoral test they have utter humiliation! Well Swinson gained percentages to be fair, but nothing like her 100 sears she was predicting.
May 7, 20214 yr Yeah and despite those things people will still vote for him. Like I've said millions of times on here, we live in a bubble, we're politically engaged, most of us all live in nice-okish areas mainly in the South of England. We all need to ask ourselves why are people who are living below the poverty line voting Conservative. It's not really Boris per se - I imagine there is a 'Boris populist factor' that is helping the Tories but the fact is they've increased vote share in every GE since 2001. Labour have been on a steady decline since 1997 in these areas, although 2017 sticks out as a bit of an anomaly in that respect. So the reasons aren't really Brexit or Corbyn or anything like that (though they will have had an impact and accelerated or changed the trend slightly), I personally think it's to do more with home ownership and changing demographics.. e.g. the renters are piling up votes in safe urban seats whilst emptying out of marginal rural seats and allowing the 'Boomers' left behind to dictate the way the seat swings. All the while the Tories continue to prop up property prices with schemes like 'Help To Buy' which appear to help buyers but actually increase prices more than the amount buyers are being helped (also being stung by huge interest rates after 5 years on the 'loan') and actually just help property developers and allow Boomers to feel like they are richer.
May 7, 20214 yr Author Liverpool would never ever vote Tory and the Indy candidate actually ran Labour really close there. You're falling into the BBC trap. There are mo0er than two parties in England.
May 7, 20214 yr Author Doesn’t mean much but here’s the seat predictions if today’s totals were a GE result: BBC House of Commons projection based on local election results CON: 327 (-38) LAB: 226 (+23) LDM: 24 (+13) OTH: 73 (+2) Quite the fall from the 80 seat majority! A Tory triumph, apparently :unsure:
May 7, 20214 yr Doesn’t mean much but here’s the seat predictions if today’s totals were a GE result: BBC House of Commons projection based on local election results CON: 327 (-38) LAB: 226 (+23) LDM: 24 (+13) OTH: 73 (+2) Quite the fall from the 80 seat majority! Doesn't that give Tories a 101 seats over all others?
May 7, 20214 yr This! :lol: If Johnson was a labour politican, you bet the conservatives would be calling for his resignation given everything that's happened under him and his government. I mean he had an affair with a woman who he gave over £100,000 of tax payers money to... I'm still surprised that didn't blow up like it should have. Don't forget Bip Curry and the Sun buying the story to protect him!!!! Insane! Dictatorship levels of narrative control.
May 7, 20214 yr Doesn't that give Tories a 101 seats over all others? The governing party need 326 for a majority!
May 7, 20214 yr Bit of a meaningless projection though considering Labour got 202 seats in 2019 and 1 of those seats was Hartlepool... which they've just lost !
May 7, 20214 yr Plus there's going to a boundary review which will favour the Tories even more come 2024, I suspect we could see Labour down to 160-170 if nothing changes. Really, really depressing IMO.
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