March 14, 20215 yr Gradual ACR still completely defeats the object in my eyes. A song has its time, peaks, and then declines and gets booted off to ACR. The initial drop looks weird but after that it's less strange. A gradually increasing ratio for a few weeks to transition from SCR to ACR would be even more artificial because it's spread out over time rather than just one big drop downwards before it resumes stability, just lower down the chart. 1-16 will be weird and slightly jarring but it'll stabilise next week of course! It's not about pretty chart runs when, as things stand, Olivia's ACR drop will be ushering in a brand new top 10 hit. That's what the OCC will care more about.
March 14, 20215 yr Songs wish just leave top 100 Baby shark Perfect Shallow Someone you loved Before you go Dance monkey Blinding light still ok out top 40 would be ok with One song hang around evey year mr brightside still class song all ways top 100 of year. Look like try get 2021 top 100 of year as well Wish could do something deadwood songs good songs exp baby shark chock low out chart some song struggle get in block way
March 14, 20215 yr I do think it's about time the OCC revise the ACR rule though, to make it a more gradual ratio implementation. Regardless of if you like the song or not, it's truly ridiculous that Olivia is set to fall 1-16 after 9 weeks at #1, we've never had a drop quite that substantial from #1 due to ACR before. Surely some casual listeners will be scratching their heads whereas they perhaps wouldn't so much if it 'only' went 1-6. Agreed totally!
March 15, 20215 yr Songs wish just leave top 100 Shallow Bad news for you :heehee: @1369963984871374849
March 15, 20215 yr Songs wish just leave top 100 Baby shark Perfect Shallow Someone you loved Before you go Dance monkey Blinding light still ok out top 40 would be ok with One song hang around evey year mr brightside still class song all ways top 100 of year. Look like try get 2021 top 100 of year as well Wish could do something deadwood songs good songs exp baby shark chock low out chart some song struggle get in block way People will keep discovering these songs and stream, view on YouTube to their hearts content.
March 15, 20215 yr I used to think gradual ACR would be preferable but now I think I agree with Joseph that the cliff edge is better. As well as making room for the new hits immediately so they can get decent peaks it’s also much simpler and more transparent having everything on two levels. Otherwise we might not even know half the time where songs were in their ACR cycle and there’d be no hope of understanding the true picture.
March 15, 20215 yr I always preferred the idea of gradual ACR for more satisfying chart runs but only if it continued to a stage where even less than 50% of streams were counted for some of the songs that have been around for ages so the effect of having 'a bit more ACR' on a song every week it declined would continue until it was pretty much out of the chart altogether. That way we would avoid the dramatic falls on weeks where ACR is applied (especially what we're seeing with Olivia Rodrigo this week) and those songs that hang around in the top 40 or top 100 forever would no longer do so and allow space for more new hits (which is what the OCC was trying to achieve anyway). I'm not sure how well that would go in practice though, I think side effects of that could be the top end of the chart being a bit more stale but the rest being relatively fresh (perhaps introducing early stages of gradual ACR before nine weeks and/or requiring two rather than three weeks of decline might be a solution to making the top end move a bit faster) and that sleeper hits would spend much longer in the chart (because they take so long to reach their streaming peak) than instant hits which could quickly disappear once they've started getting a tiny decline in streams every week. That might be making chart rules unnecessarily complicated too :lol:
March 15, 20215 yr The best idea would have been to have a cap, you stream 10 times Drivers license, then you streams don't count anymore and that would make a natural decline in streams after the song has peaked they could also implement a recurrent chart and make songs recurrent after a year if they were annoyed with SYL or Mr Brightside or Shallow. personally, not a problem with old songs in the charts, I'm sure than if they were made recurrent it's place would be taken by other re-entries and people would still complain, or people would complain about there being too many rap songs or something, the important thing for some people is to always complain :D
March 15, 20215 yr People will keep discovering these songs and stream, view on YouTube to their hearts content. Those songs listed above are not really doing any harm, I don't think many people look beyond the top 40 these days, to wish them to literally go away, people will still download or stream no matter what, you can't force people's habits. Anyhow... sort of drifting away here lol
March 15, 20215 yr I always preferred the idea of gradual ACR for more satisfying chart runs but only if it continued to a stage where even less than 50% of streams were counted for some of the songs that have been around for ages so the effect of having 'a bit more ACR' on a song every week it declined would continue until it was pretty much out of the chart altogether. Interesting - how would you deal with Christmas songs / re-sets in that approach? I’ve said this before but I think the 3 consecutive weeks of decline part is too arbitrary and I’d prefer it to take effect on 9+ weeks plus dropping below (say) 80% of peak streams.
March 15, 20215 yr Interesting - how would you deal with Christmas songs / re-sets in that approach? Well, under that rule the old Christmas songs would end up stuck at the last stage of ACR and not make much of an impact on the chart (because keeping the chart fresh and keeping chart runs satisfying was the point here, and as much as I enjoy the takeover every year the Christmas songs do make both of those a mess anyway) which might make Alexa (and other new Christmas songs/charity releases) having a big influence on Xmas week easier than ever :lol: For resets I think it would depend on how much it increased by, the larger the increase the more levels in the ACR system it moves back up to the following week.
March 15, 20215 yr The best idea would have been to have a cap, you stream 10 times Drivers license, then you streams don't count anymore and that would make a natural decline in streams after the song has peaked Have always said this from the start. Measures the music that is currently popular. Will measure older songs people are discovering from a performance (whereas the people who already spammed it at release will already have 'spent' their sale), and would allow more room for songs in the chart. Streaming chart can measure the ongoing repeat listens, but this would measure the popular new tracks and would satisfy almost all parties interested in the chart (and allow for a more varied chart show). Plus there would be no need for anything like ACR to artificialise the chart... Edited March 15, 20215 yr by Juranamo
March 15, 20215 yr I would agree with this, a paid for sale is counted once despite the song been listened to multiple times and it's only counted in the chart the week you bought it. I think I'm right in saying with itunes for example your first purchase is the only sale that counts, if for example you bought the song again 3 weeks later it doesn't count in the chart but multiple streaming counts for weeks on end.
March 15, 20215 yr The best idea would have been to have a cap, you stream 10 times Drivers license, then you streams don't count anymore and that would make a natural decline in streams after the song has peaked When it comes to this solution there is one thing that always makes me wonder if this would really work. It's not that easy for a certain song to get 10+ streams from one person. There are many people who have listened to a song once or twice, 4 times, maybe 6-7 times or so. But I think that the amount of people who have streamed it 10+ times might be relatively small, cause when you think about it 10+ streams from one person for one song is quite a lot. I'm not entirely sure about that but I can really imagine that obsessive 'Drivers License' fans whose streams should be affected by the cap might be rosponsible for maybe 20% of its weekly consumption while most of its streams comes from casual listeners of playlists etc. who won't reach 10+ streams anytime soon. Therefore to be effective the cap should be lower: 5 streams for one person, maybe 3 or only 2? But would that make sense? And let me clarify: I'm not against the 'stream cap' solution. I would love it if it would really work and make a difference. I just have some doubts and I'm just not entirely sure that it would work in real life.
March 15, 20215 yr When it comes to this solution there is one thing that always makes me wonder if this would really work. It's not that easy for a certain song to get 10+ streams from one person. There are many people who have listened to a song once or twice, 4 times, maybe 6-7 times or so. But I think that the amount of people who have streamed it 10+ times might be relatively small, cause when you think about it 10+ streams from one person for one song is quite a lot. I'm not entirely sure about that but I can really imagine that obsessive 'Drivers License' fans whose streams should be affected by the cap might be rosponsible for maybe 20% of its weekly consumption while most of its streams comes from casual listeners of playlists etc. who won't reach 10+ streams anytime soon. Therefore to be effective the cap should be lower: 5 streams for one person, maybe 3 or only 2? But would that make sense? And let me clarify: I'm not against the 'stream cap' solution. I would love it if it would really work and make a difference. I just have some doubts and I'm just not entirely sure that it would work in real life. I guess if a song's genuinely reaching a new audience that's fine and means it shouldn't be bumped down the chart. In my mind the whole point of ACR is to reflect the fact that people who in the old days would have bought the song relatively early in its chart life are instead playing it many times long afterwards. You don't need to be an obsessive Drivers License fan to be affected by the cap - in fact I'm fairly indifferent to the song but I've casually played it much more than 10 times. I think the cap idea would be interesting to try, but they'd need to get some data to see if it had the desired effect before changing the rules.
March 15, 20215 yr but it also would affect people using playlists cos theres always the same songs on all the top playlists so if you only listen to playlists sure you heard Drivers Licence 10 times already in week 1
March 15, 20215 yr I dunno, I maintain that the fact that streaming numbers allowing a spectrum of data from a single user rather than the old boolean of did they buy it or not* is monumentally more worthwhile as an indicator of public taste (granted playlists yada yada). It's also a more realistic depiction of current listening because who knows how many times an iTunes purchase is ever listened to, if it's listened to at all, but they're all counted the same. The OCC already invented a 'solution' in 2017 and if that's not working then buckle up because any new solution will inevitably be not good enough in the long run too. Something something . I'd rather a boring chart than a chart stuffed full of makeshift rules that nobody can keep up with. *Well multiple purchases are a thing but eh
March 15, 20215 yr http://i.imgur.com/zf9EQCp.png Official Singles/Albums Chart Update Top 100 Source: OCC Missing Data: Spotify and YouTube (both for Sunday) Top 100 Singles 1 Nathan Evans, 220 KID & Billen Ted - Wellerman (20.8k) 2 A1 x J1 - Latest Trends (14.8k) 3 KSI feat. YUNGBLUD & Polo G - Patience (14.4k) * 4 Riton & Nightcrawlers feat. Mufasa & Hypeman - Friday (12.8k) 5 Tiësto - The Business (11.5k) 6-10 7 Anne-Marie, KSI & Digital Farm Animals - Don't Play 8 Joel Corry, RAYE & David Guetta - BED 9 Travis Scott & HVME - Goosebumps 10 Central Cee - Commitment Issues 11-20 11 ATB, Topic & A7S - Your Love (9PM) 12 Tom Grennan - Little Bit of Love 13 Shane Codd - Get Out My Head 14 Doja Cat - Streets 18 Ava Max - My Head & My Heart 19 Central Cee - 6 For 6 * 20 Cardi B - Up 21-30 21 Ella Henderson & Tom Grennan - Let's Go Home Together 23 Rag'n'Bone Man - All You Ever Wanted 24 Navos - Believe Me 28 Masked Wolf - Astronaut in the Ocean 29 The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 31-40 31 Joel Corry feat. MNEK - Head & Heart 32 ROSÉ - On the Ground * 34 Dua Lipa - We're Good 39 D-Block Europe & RAYE - Ferrari Horses * ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Top 100 Albums 1 Tom Grennan - Evering Road (10.6k) * 2 Thunder - All the Right Noises (8.9k) * 3 Central Cee - Wild West (5.6k) * 4 RJ Thompson - Lifeline (4.3k) * 5 YUNGBLUD - weird! (2.8k) ^ 6-10 7 Rob Zombie - The Lunar Injection Kool Aid Eclipse Conspiracy * 9 Selena Gomez - Revelación * 10 David Bowie - Something in the Air * 11-20 13 The Anchoress - The Art of Losing * 21-30 21 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours 26 Machine Gun Kelly - Tickets to My Downfall ^ 27 Foo Fighters - Medicine at Midnight 29 Michael Jackson - Number Ones 31-40 34 Whitney Houston - The Ultimate Collection ^ 35 Bee Gees - Timeless: The All-Time Greatest Hits ^ 36 Nick Jonas - Spaceman * 40 The Beatles - 1 ^ Click on the above relevant links.
March 15, 20215 yr Either Tom Grennan has really underperformed or Thunder have really good sales... I wonder if Yungblud will actually stay in the Top 10 this time after randomly appearing their for a day last week! :lol:
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