Labour have such a large network of infrastructure and potential volunteers when they aren't all being suspected of being Trots by the party leadership who'd get enthusiasm out there for him

 

but alas

Indeed! Corbyn struggled with far greater negative media presence, similar bleak likeability and dissatisfaction polls during the entire time of his leadership — however, he did have a large group of energised supporters who were desperate to get out there for him from day one. Starmer has none of that and barely a base — anyone thinking he's going to cause an upset or pull a sizeable amount of moderate Tories away are fooling themselves.

 

 

Not sure whether to post in this or the "foot shooting" thread but Starmer (net satisfaction rating of MINUS 26) has expelled legendary film director Ken Loach from the party for being supportive of left wingers.

 

Considering Loach's films have highlighted the extreme poverty and inequality in parts of the UK this is not a good look for a progressive party and is just done to antagonise the left.

 

And it will just empower the Tories Say what you want about them they dont purge their members and are happy to attract wealth hoarding liberals and flag waving working classes and reactionary pensioners. They must love Starmer as their little minion doing their dirty work.

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I hope they'll realise they made a mistake with this one but as ever with this continual purge of leftist groups and progressives who have made a career of fighting for justice, it helps no one and it just demonises Labour's natural voter base, all the while making the claims that Starmer is controlled opposition look more correct.

It never makes the media either in a way it continually did when JC was leader!

Not sure whether to post in this or the "foot shooting" thread but Starmer (net satisfaction rating of MINUS 26) has expelled legendary film director Ken Loach from the party for being supportive of left wingers.

 

Considering Loach's films have highlighted the extreme poverty and inequality in parts of the UK this is not a good look for a progressive party and is just done to antagonise the left.

 

And it will just empower the Tories Say what you want about them they dont purge their members and are happy to attract wealth hoarding liberals and flag waving working classes and reactionary pensioners. They must love Starmer as their little minion doing their dirty work.

 

That is entirely false though - it was not Starmer's decision at all. And they dispelled all the members of those in the groups. Whether you agree or disagree with that is an entirely different matter of course, but it has nothing to do with Starmer at all.

It’s to do with the Labour NEC which is dominated by centrists currently!

Keir Hardies birthday today, I expect if we’re still alive he would be expelled from today’s party!

Starmer is absolute SHITE. CENTRISTS OUT NOW AND INTO THE TORY PARTY!!

According to some reports, Loach has supported people who were expelled from the party for anti-semitism, including some who have gone as far as Holocaust denial.

Fake news from the centrists to justify ridding themselves of the left.

Fake news from the centrists to justify ridding themselves of the left.

 

Hardly. Shouldn't the question be what drew the bloke who made films ages ago to being part of a party which kicked him out for being part of a crank organisation group and years of activism against it? There's loads of people making a huge fuss out of nothing because they don't like Starmer, the guy is a crank. Don't get purging the left and purging cranks confused.

Hardly. Shouldn't the question be what drew the bloke who made films ages ago to being part of a party which kicked him out for being part of a crank organisation group and years of activism against it? There's loads of people making a huge fuss out of nothing because they don't like Starmer, the guy is a crank. Don't get purging the left and purging cranks confused.

 

‘A bloke who made films ages ago’ 😂

 

Ok then he made his last film in 2018 three years ago hardly ages ago. He’s also received two Palme D’Or awards at the Cannes film festival in the last 15 years the latter was in 2016 for I, Daniel Blake which effectively helped change the political agenda from austerity.

‘A bloke who made films ages ago’ 😂

 

Ok then he made his last film in 2018 three years ago hardly ages ago. He’s also received two Palme D’Or awards at the Cannes film festival in the last 15 years the latter was in 2016 for I, Daniel Blake which effectively helped change the political agenda from austerity.

Ken Loach is a great film director. However, that has nothing to do with the discussion.

It is when Rooney tries to undermine him completely! All his films highlight left wing causes which is the real reason he is being attacked by the anti left!

It is when Rooney tries to undermine him completely! All his films highlight left wing causes which is the real reason he is being attacked by the anti left!

 

Not at all, I just find it odd how his film history is being used to defend him just because he's a caring socialist apparently. I doubt he's even arsed about being booted out, but the Corbynite faction don't seem to crasp the guy should be nowhere near the Labour Party and it's nothing to do with factions. I think there are plenty of things to criticism Starmer about and even the "centrists", but this isn't one of them.

Haven't we already established that the majority of the people expelled from Labour for 'antisemitism' were dome on very spurious grounds that were hammered home as "NO, DON'T LOOK AT THE FACTS OF WHAT THEY DID, JUST BELIEVE THAT IT WAS VERY ANTISEMITIC!"

 

Meanwhile, the Tories were clearly not antisemitic at all because they refused to consent to an investigation about whether they were or not. While unveiling statues for Nazis.

Even worse, this expelling of Loach is just by association, a refusal to denounce. That's very much what a party with a shrinking reason to exist does, and all its doing is just emboldening the right-wing to call for more - you had Hodges in the Mail talking about proscribing Momentum and freaking Alistair Campbell now, so not ideological on a left-right basis, just anyone who dares argue against mainstream Tory thought.

 

The Labour Party needs the support of left-wing thought leaders like him, it's the main party of the left! Acquiescing and making anti-solidarity moves like this hinders its outreach and means there's voices attacking the party from both sides.

Not at all, I just find it odd how his film history is being used to defend him just because he's a caring socialist apparently. I doubt he's even arsed about being booted out, but the Corbynite faction don't seem to crasp the guy should be nowhere near the Labour Party and it's nothing to do with factions. I think there are plenty of things to criticism Starmer about and even the "centrists", but this isn't one of them.

 

Why should he be nowhere near the Labour Party because he’s not mainstream and challenges the establishment?!

Not at all, I just find it odd how his film history is being used to defend him just because he's a caring socialist apparently. I doubt he's even arsed about being booted out, but the Corbynite faction don't seem to crasp the guy should be nowhere near the Labour Party and it's nothing to do with factions. I think there are plenty of things to criticism Starmer about and even the "centrists", but this isn't one of them.

 

Why should he be nowhere near the Labour Party because he’s not mainstream and challenges the establishment?!

 

Sounds like you want a democracy where people with different views shouldn’t be able to voice them.

Why should he be nowhere near the Labour Party because he’s not mainstream and challenges the establishment?!

 

Sounds like you want a democracy where people with different views shouldn’t be able to voice them.

 

Not at all, but like I said before, people are picking the wrong battle here. So a man who believes in debating if the Holocaust ever happened should be a member of the Labour Party? That is not a good look and no surprise people are blinkered by his associations of being a socialist (and not a very good one for the record) rather than his actual views.