i think he could possibly sneak top 10 next week although 3 Adele songs will be ahead of him

 

but the good thing is that when songs blow up in TikTok like Sam has done,

the effects lasts months, so I'm sure the effect will still be there in January

 

for instance, Tom Odell's Another Love is still top 200 on Spotify, Apple and Amazon and has been for more than 6 months

Took off totally at the wrong time though - he literally has 1-2 weeks left before we have 60 Christmas songs in the chart :drama:

The bar for Top 10 doesn’t generally increase that much until Christmas week itself though. If he can do the usual 25-30k weekly sales he should get there.

That might be the only solution to this annual chaos for the charts. Sure the concept isn't without any fault, I can imagine there been a few arguments down the line about what exactly qualifies as a "Christmas song" but it would be better than the majority of the Top 40 been taken over by decades old Christmas songs every year.

 

I think you could just do it based on data. E.g. any song older than 3 years that has an X% increase in plays at Christmas is a Christmas song, so would include stuff like Stay Another Day, 2 Become 1 etc.

but the good thing is that when songs blow up in TikTok like Sam has done,

the effects lasts months, so I'm sure the effect will still be there in January

 

for instance, Tom Odell's Another Love is still top 200 on Spotify, Apple and Amazon and has been for more than 6 months

I find it's a little varied, easier to notice the long lasting ones since they're ever-present :lol: For instance, Gym Class Heroes blew up with "Cupid's Chokehold" earlier this year but it was only about a month and a half in the sun before dropping off back to usual business pretty much everywhere. For what it's worth, "Seventeen Going Under" actually entered the Australian Spotify chart about a week ago, a first for Sam, and it quickly got into the top 50 before getting kicked out by Taylor Swift & Silk Sonic, but its diminished daily total suggests it might already be on the way out after just a few days.

I’m not keen on the separating Christmas songs idea - I think including them on ACR is a decent compromise. It may be a bit different this year but last year the charts would have been absolute tumbleweed with very low sales without the Christmas songs, and wouldn’t have been a proper reflection of the music being consumed at all.

but the good thing is that when songs blow up in TikTok like Sam has done,

the effects lasts months, so I'm sure the effect will still be there in January

 

for instance, Tom Odell's Another Love is still top 200 on Spotify, Apple and Amazon and has been for more than 6 months

 

But he will probably end up on ACR for the third time during xmas his streams right now are too big to go onto SCR imo.

Took off totally at the wrong time though - he literally has 1-2 weeks left before we have 60 Christmas songs in the chart :drama:

 

Who could possibly resist a bit of Sam sandwiched by Mariah and Wham as they eat their christmas turkey??

Sam Fender moves up to #5 on Spotify today :cheeseblock:

 

Taylor is still holding on at #2, Bruno Mars and friends are down to #11

I’m not keen on the separating Christmas songs idea - I think including them on ACR is a decent compromise. It may be a bit different this year but last year the charts would have been absolute tumbleweed with very low sales without the Christmas songs, and wouldn’t have been a proper reflection of the music being consumed at all.

 

I don't think people arguing against including Christmas songs in the charts at Christmas are particularly concerned with the charts being a proper reflection of music consumption tbf.

 

I understand it may be kind of boring having the same songs in the chart every December but that is just what the market is, I think it would be very silly to ignore that objective reality in the name of making a more 'interesting' chart. I guess it might be interesting to have a separate chart that excludes catalogue Christmas songs but such a thing should definitely not be replacing the chart as it is now.

I don't think people arguing against including Christmas songs in the charts at Christmas are particularly concerned with the charts being a proper reflection of music consumption :lol:

 

That's a rather unfair thing to say. Both sides have perfectly valid points.

I understand it may be kind of boring having the same songs in the chart every December but that is just what the market is, I think it would be very silly to ignore that objective reality in the name of making a more 'interesting' chart. I guess it might be interesting to have a separate chart that excludes catalogue Christmas songs but such a thing should definitely not be replacing the chart as it is now.

 

Actually, my reason for wanting a change has absolutely nothing to do with whether it makes the chart more "interesting". I don't believe the charts are there for the entertainment of chart geeks. They're there to benefit the wider music industry.

In all fairness, it's not just Christmas music. Spotify Wrapped drops around the end of November and there's a general reminiscence around the year that was in December with publications putting out their Best of 2021 stuff too. People aren't really feasting for new music in December, not that much of it is generally released anyway.

The music industry knows as well as everyone else that Christmas songs dominate music consumption in December.

 

I'm not saying that the people against Christmas songs in the chart don't have valid points, just that it being an accurate reflection of music consumption is not one of them, because it objectively wouldn't be.

Who says the chart should reflect consumption, when historically it didn't?

 

And arguably considering all the rules applied to the chart, including mixing streaming with sales, it doesn't anyway. The only one that does is the pure streaming chart.

The person I was replying to literally used the word 'consumed'. That is all I was responding to. If that's your argument then that's a different point entirely. (And in fact is proving the exact point I was making :kink:)

Charts were there to catalog what the most popular songs are of the week were. Whether that is Christmas music in the winter, Halloween music on 31st October or Adele, Ed Sheeran or Drake releasing an album. If people are buying/listening/watching that music, that is what should be and deserves to be at the top of the charts. I wonder if people were complaining about Bryan Adams or Wet Wet Wet spending 1/3 of the year at the top of the chart?

 

It’s not Mariah Carey’s fault that in today’s music consumption that there are more ways to digest AIWFCIY than when she first released it, yet should she be in a way ‘disqualified’ from the official chart and put on a side chart that no one other than chart fans really care about?

 

Yes it might look boring but thats too bad. In reality the charts are manipulated that much anyway (ACR, SCR, free v premium streams, 3 songs per artist etc.) that is there any point in actually having them?

Charts were there to catalog what the most popular songs are of the week were. Whether that is Christmas music in the winter, Halloween music on 31st October or Adele, Ed Sheeran or Drake releasing an album. If people are buying/listening/watching that music, that is what should be and deserves to be at the top of the charts. I wonder if people were complaining about Bryan Adams or Wet Wet Wet spending 1/3 of the year at the top of the chart?

 

It’s not Mariah Carey’s fault that in today’s music consumption that there are more ways to digest AIWFCIY than when she first released it, yet should she be in a way ‘disqualified’ from the official chart and put on a side chart that no one other than chart fans really care about?

 

Yes it might look boring but thats too bad. In reality the charts are manipulated that much anyway (ACR, SCR, free v premium streams, 3 songs per artist etc.) that is there any point in actually having them?

 

That's the problem though, there's more than one way of measuring popularity, and the chart now is no longer "pure", in that it mixes different data together with a load of rules.

 

Of course, arguably that had to be done given the way we listen to music now, but it's perfectly reasonable to argue that the way it's currently done could be changed.

The person I was replying to literally used the word 'consumed'. That is all I was responding to. If that's your argument then that's a different point entirely. (And in fact is proving the exact point I was making :kink:)

 

Well the way you put it, including the use of the smilie, was dismissive and rude.

Adele

 

#1. Easy on me

#31. When we were young

#47. Someone like you

#49. Love in the dark

#63. Rolling in the deep

#97. Set fire to the rain

#106. Chasing pavements

#119. Send my love (to your new love)

#159. Hello

#167. All I ask

 

All were rising yesterday due to the CBS special and they have all risen again today. I wonder if they'll keep rising due to the album release being so close. She's going to dominate the top 50/100 I bet!