And that motorcycle abomination wouldn't do just that?!

No, the motorcycle is a more solid image and represents the hybridity that she wanted to convey with this album.

 

Most if not all images from that photo shoot will scare away potential buyers lol x

The photoshoot has several weird but attractive photos. This pile of goo isn't one of them.

 

That cover would be gorgeous! Surely we don't want Gaga to diminish all of her artistry just for a bit more palatability. That's such a stunning photoshoot to me.

She is a pop artist and being a singer is her job, not a hobby. She should have left these ghastly looks to underground artists who have nothing to lose.

 

Completely this.

 

I'm sorry but comparisons to Katy Perry et al who got people to jump on remixes to boost their singles up on the charts was great for them back in the day but as Kath said, it is Gaga's fearless determination to her art and vision that has meant she has withstood a lot of changes in the music landscape over the decade and is still on top of her game. I am so glad she stuck to her guns and didn't let a whiff of a song peaking one or two places higher potentially damage her artistic integrity!

How would collabs and remixes with other artists affect Gaga's artistic integrity? What a silly comment, one thing has nothing to do with another. This is the music business and she has to sell records, she's got a record deal, for God's sake.

How would collabs and remixes with other artists affect Gaga's artistic integrity? What a silly comment, one thing has nothing to do with another. This is the music business and she has to sell records, she's got a record deal, for God's sake.

Yes she has to sell records, and guess what - records she DOES sell. Records she does break. Awards she does win. Releasing music and being successful with it over a decade she does do. She could sell a few more with the odd remix thrown in there but at the potential expense of discrediting her vision for her music, released the way she wants to without a rent-a-rapper tacked onto it.

Yes she has to sell records, and guess what - records she DOES sell. Records she does break. Awards she does win. Releasing music and being successful with it over a decade she does do. She could sell a few more with the odd remix thrown in there but at the potential expense of discrediting her vision for her music, released the way she wants to without a rent-a-rapper tacked onto it.

Let me see if I got it. Gaga has "artistic integrity" from not having brought in other artists to push her stuff more often in the past, so all the other artists who did and still do this are mere products, is that what you're implying? lol.

Anyway~

 

I'm glad most seem to be in agreement that Judas should've been promo single at best, or better still a banging fan-fave album track. With universal songs like TEOG and MTN coming much later in the campaign, it kills me that especially the latter didn't get the exposure of the former :snif: Still we had the EMA performance (and to a lesser extent the X Factor performance lol) but still!

Anyway~

 

I'm glad most seem to be in agreement that Judas should've been promo single at best, or better still a banging fan-fave album track.

 

We are? :P

 

I mean, I'm glad it WAS a single, it's by far my favourite song from this era and in my top 3 Gaga songs ever. But, yeah, this thread has kind of convinced me it may have served better as one of her many iconic album tracks, a la Dance In The Dark.

Judas is definitely not a fan favorite, but it wasn't worthy of being an official single either, as I said, it would work as a promotional single. Heavy Metal Lover, Highway Unicorn and Scheiße, these are fan favorites, weak songs with zero radio potential, but for some reason I'll never understand, a specific group is always obsessed with trying to create hype around these types of songs that no radio station would play.

Judas is definitely not a fan favorite, but it wasn't worthy of being an official single either, as I said, it would work as a promotional single. Heavy Metal Lover, Highway Unicorn and Scheiße, these are fan favorites, weak songs with zero radio potential, but for some reason I'll never understand, a specific group is always obsessed with trying to create hype around these types of songs that no radio station would play.

 

The reason being... people don't just like songs that radio would play? Is that what you base your tastes on or do you mean just in the context of what should've been a single?

 

What's hard to believe about people liking those incredible songs? Maybe not as singles but they can hype them up!

The reason being... people don't just like songs that radio would play? Is that what you base your tastes on or do you mean just in the context of what should've been a single?

 

What's hard to believe about people liking those incredible songs? Maybe not as singles but they can hype them up!

You can like any song, but when it comes to music business, it's all about hits and sales, it ain't child's play (except for those who lack ambition and lack faith in their own work).

It's a a very clinical viewpoint to state that the music business is only about hits and sales. Artistry and passion from the artist hopefully comes into play too, so that the artist gives their best when it comes to promoting these songs, and enjoying their own career. If it's all about numbers, that would result in a hollow artist and I'm sure fans would sense that.

 

There isn't one artist or one label that has ever been 100% "correct" with their single choices. It's so subjective. There's so many factors that come into play regarding what songs become massive hits, or average hits, or underperform. For me that's part of the fun of being a fan - being along for the journey, experiencing all of these single choices and seeing how they work out. Celebrating their successes, or speculating what might have been a better choice if a particular song doesn't quite hit the mark commercially.

 

It's rarely - if ever - completely obvious what an entire campaign's singles run should be, with everybody being in complete agreement. Different tastes come into play. What sounds like a hit to someone certainly won't sound like a hit to another. Some truly fantastic songs - based on my own tastes - have completely underperformed on a commercial level, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have been chosen and didn't deserve to have that opportunity to be in the spotlight. I respect that the artist/label took a chance with a song, rather than perhaps going with something more obvious/safe for "the hits and sales". Because sometimes that risk ends up paying off and brings in the sales and hit status.

 

Personally, I think Judas was a great single choice - I was super into it - and it hardly bombed. Perhaps a different choice would have achieved better numbers, maybe a different choice could have made the campaign fall apart (but I think at that point in her career she was so powerful that nothing would have totally derailed her).

 

Anyway, these "how would you manage the era" threads are meant to be fun, displaying our own tastes and what we think could have worked. There's truly no right or wrong answers! The only thing I would change is The Edge of Glory having a more interesting music video. It deserved more than what it got.

Yeah, exactly. Do you just want Gaga to be seen as a safe and bland artist when she isn't that? Also you speak as though she hasn't achieved such phenomenal success and she's about to get dropped by her record label or something.

 

It makes me wonder why you even follow her in the first place and not a more "safe" mainstream artist, if achieving big numbers is literally the be-all and end-all of everything.

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Judas is one of her most popular music videos too. It was an event single more than a radio single, so I think singles serve different purposes in some cases.

Yeah, exactly. Do you just want Gaga to be seen as a safe and bland artist when she isn't that? Also you speak as though she hasn't achieved such phenomenal success and she's about to get dropped by her record label or something.

It makes me wonder why you even follow her in the first place and not a more "safe" mainstream artist, if achieving big numbers is literally the be-all and end-all of everything.

 

It doesn't make any sense — this is Lady Gaga.

I respect that the artist/label took a chance with a song, rather than perhaps going with something more obvious/safe for "the hits and sales". Because sometimes that risk ends up paying off and brings in the sales and hit status.

 

Personally, I think Judas was a great single choice - I was super into it - and it hardly bombed. Perhaps a different choice would have achieved better numbers, maybe a different choice could have made the campaign fall apart (but I think at that point in her career she was so powerful that nothing would have totally derailed her).

So show me when that ever happened during Gaga's career. I find it funny that you all come together with arguments that go against logic only to deny me. And yes, the music industry is about hits and sales, record labels aren’t charity NGOs, they won't hire or keep an artist on their cast if he/she doesn't sell, it is what it is.

 

PS: Judas was a wrong choice and everyone knows it.

Also you speak as though she hasn't achieved such phenomenal success and she's about to get dropped by her record label or something.

At no time did I say that :unsure:. I'm just aware that she made a lot of wrong choices in her career and that she would be even bigger today if she had done what I'm saying. At no point did I say that she would be fired, only that she could have made a better juice if she had chosen the best fruits.

 

It makes me wonder why you even follow her in the first place and not a more "safe" mainstream artist, if achieving big numbers is literally the be-all and end-all of everything.

Because she has the sales and the X factor. It just upsets me that she/her label made serious mistakes that kept her from being even bigger than she is today.

Well I think, her out-of-the-blue jazz career, movie stardom and Shallow are the reasons she is still as big as she is today. The single choices of her first smash hit eras are not important at all in the big picture. We are arguing whether she would have an extra top 5/10 hit and that's about it.

Judas is one of her most popular music videos too. It was an event single more than a radio single, so I think singles serve different purposes in some cases.

All Judas did was increase the saturation of her image, you don't come up with a second single that's even more controversial than the lead single, you just don't do it, but she did, and clearly it didn't turn out as she expected. So much so that they had to rush to release TEOG less than a month later (where she would also cause a mess by firing the director and releasing that $5 video).

Well I think, her out-of-the-blue jazz career, movie stardom and Shallow are the reasons she is still as big as she is today. The single choices of her first smash hit eras are not important at all in the big picture. We are arguing whether she would have an extra top 5/10 hit and that's about it.

Except they are, early eras make or break an artist. Gaga wouldn't have done ASIB if she wasn't a big name, which happened because of her first 3 albums.

At no time did I say that :unsure:. I'm just aware that she made a lot of wrong choices in her career and that she would be even bigger today if she had done what I'm saying. At no point did I say that she would be fired, only that she could have made a better juice if she had chosen the best fruits.

Because she has the sales and the X factor. It just upsets me that she/her label made serious mistakes that kept her from being even bigger than she is today.

 

So show me when that ever happened during Gaga's career. I find it funny that you all come together with arguments that go against logic only to deny me. And yes, the music industry is about hits and sales, record labels aren’t charity NGOs, they won't hire or keep an artist on their cast if he/she doesn't sell, it is what it is.

 

PS: Judas was a wrong choice and everyone knows it.

 

Still haven't shown me where I said she would be fired, she sold well but she could have sold even more with better choices, that's what I'm saying, still can't you get it?