I just think every song should be treated equally - it’s not the job of the charts to be fresh and exciting but to objectively reflect British public consumption over a 7 day period.

What about 3 track rule than

One should understand that music business DOES NOT EQUAL charts. Charts are just meant to reflect what people are consuming, otherwise they are pointless.

It isn't that black and white though and definitely works both ways. The charts create engagement in the music releases and a good chart battle can lead to more sales than if there wasn't a chart. It is increasingly difficult to measure where you don't need to buying music outright isn't the biggest medium now. Although they definitely have some short fallings, I think they do a good job to keep people engaged. The chart is much more interesting with ACR and the 3 track rule in place. I certainly would have less interest if those weren't in place.

Do people generally care anymore about charts?

 

I did what I never thought would happen - I stopped listening to the UK singles charts after streaming moved in, after being a huge fan for 50 years. I still rather enjoy the Sales chart, which either gives a better reflection of the sort of music I like, is more accurate because it still lists what people feel strongly enough to spend money on rather than playlists compiled by Streaming companies, or it just cuts out repeat plays which aren't really a reflection of popularity, they are a reflection of the same people playing the same records week after week. The sales charts show people buying records so they are always NEW fans, not the same ones obsessed with playing Bruno or xmas playlists over and over endlessly (ie little kids in the former case), and you know that week one "sales" are not just people playing it for a week out of curiosity, as opposed to any actual LOVE of the tracks (witness them all plummeting the following week in some cases). Curiosity, passive playlists and obsessive replaying were never factors in charts until streaming.

 

The Charts have been compiled by other companies in the past, so yes they could change again. All they'd need is some bidding option and assurances from some Pretender they could do it cheaper and more accurately and poliitical will to do it. Doesn't matter if they can't as long as they've paid loads to a bunch of people to make a convincing case that the bigwigs fall for :teresa: Or if those flogging the product think they will get better chart positions out of it...

 

I'm far too cynical! :lol:

Instead of mocking the poster you could add to the discussion yourself perhaps, or just don’t say anything at all. You seem to have a habit of criticising the topic creator if the topic doesn’t suit your needs without actually adding much to the discussion yourself.

 

Thank you for that massive personal attack but I was actually defending the topic creator who started a topic explaining how the6 feel only for five or six posters to reply taking the mick out of the notion immediately. I was actually pointing out how rude some of the posters were being.

 

Nice to know Buzzjack generally never changes. It never seems to matter what is said but who said it. People mock and belittle the poster and nothing is said. T Boy takes issue with the low level bullying but because he’s T Boy, he must be in the wrong and deserve a ticking off from a marine biologist. The Circle of Life continues.

I'm far too cynical! :lol:

On another note… can we please recommend Popchartfreak as our next veteran member! He’s done a great job substituting for Suedehead2 recently in the weekly charts and I want to see his username in red soon! :)

Thank you for that massive personal attack but I was actually defending the topic creator who started a topic explaining how the6 feel only for five or six posters to reply taking the mick out of the notion immediately. I was actually pointing out how rude some of the posters were being.

 

Nice to know Buzzjack generally never changes. It never seems to matter what is said but who said it. People mock and belittle the poster and nothing is said. T Boy takes issue with the low level bullying but because he’s T Boy, he must be in the wrong and deserve a ticking off from a marine biologist. The Circle of Life continues.

 

Fair enough, I completely misjudged your post. My post wasn’t meant as a personal attack though, more of an observation of your previous posts in other topics tbh.

Get Joseph do the chart lol

Get Joseph do the chart lol

omg THIS!!!

¨then only underaged guys would be allowed to chart :D

It would also mean no D-Block Europe :cool:

And no Cheesy Fad?? No River or Wham or Sweet but Made Up Sales or whatever else the OCC cooks up blocking Mariah?!?!

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¨then only underaged guys would be allowed to chart :D

 

Bit below the belt

The answer to the OP has already been answered though

 

They can't lose the rights the bigger concern would another chart becoming more respected than them

I did what I never thought would happen - I stopped listening to the UK singles charts after streaming moved in, after being a huge fan for 50 years. I still rather enjoy the Sales chart, which either gives a better reflection of the sort of music I like, is more accurate because it still lists what people feel strongly enough to spend money on rather than playlists compiled by Streaming companies, or it just cuts out repeat plays which aren't really a reflection of popularity, they are a reflection of the same people playing the same records week after week. The sales charts show people buying records so they are always NEW fans, not the same ones obsessed with playing Bruno or xmas playlists over and over endlessly (ie little kids in the former case), and you know that week one "sales" are not just people playing it for a week out of curiosity, as opposed to any actual LOVE of the tracks (witness them all plummeting the following week in some cases). Curiosity, passive playlists and obsessive replaying were never factors in charts until streaming.

I understand how you feel. It took me ages to accept streaming being included in the charts, and that contributed to me taking a long break from following them between 2015 and 2020.

However, they do need to move with the times. The Sales charts do tend to reflect my personal taste better but ultimately there are whole swathes of the population who just don’t buy music anymore. The number of paid for sales needed to top that chart is generally so small it isn’t really a reflection of the general public’s taste.

Measuring streaming has some issues, and the fact that the big platforms have quite a big influence in what people will stream is not ideal.

However I’m not convinced that either of those problems were absent before streaming. In fact the controlling of what was available for people to buy when by the record companies was much worse than streaming companies choosing playlists in my view.

There shouldn’t be a 3 track rule either. I don’t care if the charts aren’t “interesting” - all I care about is that that fairly and comprehensively reflect what’s been happening over the past 7 days without fear or favour. If they can’t do that, they might as well be the Pepsi Chart or the Big Top 40 - there’s nothing “official” about them. The 3 track rule and ACR have created artificial weighting to certain tracks and therefore made the final charts every week artificial. They may be “less boring”, but the charts should be interested in cold objective fact.

If no acr or 3 track rule switch off don’t 15 Ed Sheeran song every week

Well you’d have to switch off then - the charts aren’t a TV show like Dancing on Ice or Broadchurch - they are quite simply a survey of public consumption over a 7 day period. Everyone should leave their subjective tastes at the door. If Ed Sheeran has 15 tracks in the top 40 that means he has 15 of the most popular tracks that week - it’s not the job of the charts to edit that.

Perhaps that's the purpose of the chart on a surface level but I think it's clear that the industry and the OCC themselves view it slightly differently. Songs' consumption is still measured and total sales are unaffected by ACR / the 3 track rule, and the weekly chart is able to both reflect what people are listening to and give a leg up to new artists to help them break higher regions of the chart faster. The top 10 is still a crucial and important region of the chart so if an old song being on ACR means that a new artist is able to achieve their first top 10 hit, that pleases the label and the artist, and the OCC get to present a slightly more dynamic chart. For example, I've seen Cat Burns posting on Twitter about how excited she was at the prospect of making top 10, and Scott's commented on Go being her breakthrough hit. Without ACR, it wouldn't have made the top 10 yet, but it's actually been in the top tier for 2 weeks thanks to songs like Shivers, We Don't Talk About Bruno and Heat Waves being on ACR. All three of those songs still feature lower down the chart so aren't completely hindered, they're just moved out of the way to allow for greater exposure for new artists and fresh songs.

It’s greater exposure for new artists and fresh songs that is unwarranted though. I know WHY the OCC is doing this, particularly from a commercial perspective, but I just think they’re wrong as the charts they are producing are false.