I don’t agree with the OCC’s reasoning at all, “may be contractual” so why can Billboard change credits whenever they like? If a remix sells more than the original that should be the version charting surely?

Because Billboard care less about the contractual crediting than the OCC do :P

 

(for my personal opinion, I think it should typically be the main single version that's credited, which for Latto would be the solo version but I understand your reasoning for thinking the remix should be the credit)

Looking likely that 'Birthday Cake' is going to be top 40 on Friday then if it's only a few places off today. Nice to see as that's sounding really lovely on a couple of listens now.

No-one else shocked by Arrdee? Smashing it.

Sales for the top 5 album outside the no.1 are pretty shocking so wouldn't say Arrdee is smashing it but holding up well enough in his 3rd week sure.

 

Probably get something new from him in a couple of months anyhow. These UK rap stars don't really have time off in between churning out tracks.

True about the sales but it's all relative, other artists are selling equally poor. You are right though, reckon we will get something new soon, most likely a summer tune.

I don't think Mariah is losing any sleep over the OCC not crediting her on a UK #60 midweek hit :lol:

 

(Neither version is charting on either Spotify or Apple so not even necessarily sure it is the more popular version here? Sure it is on iTunes but even there it's not a big gap now)

It's #3 in the US I think that's wayyy worse case for her :lol:

I do too but would also be happy if they can stay top 20.

 

This - would love it to stay Top 10 but pleased to see it back in the charts (sadly for the wrong reasons) after it went 8-out on original release.

Nice to see 'Gold Forever' as high as #41 today, hope it can stay in the top 100.

 

Surprised to see 'Surface Pressure' apparently now dropping below 'Waiting On A Miracle' after holding ahead of it for weeks on ACR, I think that is my least favourite of the tracks from Encanto (can we please get 'Dos Oruguitas' charting instead xx) but can't begrudge it getting a chart placement if it holds onto that.

 

Dreamville mixtape appearing in the album chart midweeks again I see... (the last Dreamville compilation did appear in the mids but was moved to the compilations chart by the end of the week so either the OCC still hasn't learned from that and are doing the same thing again or they are treating this one differently, not that it looks like making much of an impact either way).

but reading the OCC piece about Peru, it seems to me they're addressing in general the topic of how they credit, saying they credit what the labels tell them

which sure ifs fine and has always been the case, sure if the label says this is an Eminem solo single and Dido is not credited, the OCC won't invent that credit

but in the article they're just talking about that, about credits in general,

they do not address the issue that if a song has charted already, for the last 3 years a new remix was not allowed to chart

they didn't allow any exceptions (I don't count Goosebumps as Travis was the original artist)

but they did an exception with Ed and Peru. In the article it doesn't address this. I simply cannot believe that it's a matter of asking, otherwise hundreds would have asked,

when the article is talking about asking the occ, it's talking about credits in general, not about the particular case of changing a credit for a song that had charted already

Agree, it's not like Ed Sheeran's label and whichever published Despacito have been the only ones to ask.

but reading the OCC piece about Peru, it seems to me they're addressing in general the topic of how they credit, saying they credit what the labels tell them

which sure ifs fine and has always been the case, sure if the label says this is an Eminem solo single and Dido is not credited, the OCC won't invent that credit

but in the article they're just talking about that, about credits in general,

they do not address the issue that if a song has charted already, for the last 3 years a new remix was not allowed to chart

they didn't allow any exceptions (I don't count Goosebumps as Travis was the original artist)

but they did an exception with Ed and Peru. In the article it doesn't address this. I simply cannot believe that it's a matter of asking, otherwise hundreds would have asked,

when the article is talking about asking the occ, it's talking about credits in general, not about the particular case of changing a credit for a song that had charted already

This is pure speculation though - quite honestly none of us know whether labels bother to request a credit change or not, but it seems more likely to be that the credits don't usually get changed by the label than the OCC choosing to make an exception for Ed Sheeran for no apparent reason. The article literally said the label requested the change.

 

re. Goosebumps, it should be counted and there's no reason not to. The HVME version isn't combined at all with Travis' original, it was a cover version until Travis re-recorded the track for a remix of the HVME version. Travis then got added to the credit several weeks after it first charted. It's absolutely worth counting and Travis being the original artist isn't relevant.

As chart-savvy as Scooter Braun is, wonder why he didn't request the credit for Ariana when Save Your Tears become a hit. Or for Bieber for Essence.

As chart-savvy as Scooter Braun is, wonder why he didn't request the credit for Ariana when Save Your Tears become a hit. Or for Bieber for Essence.

Because I assume the request would have to come from The Weeknd and Wizkid's labels respectively and they probably didn't care enough to get the credit changed.

That could be the case!

I don't think Mariah is losing any sleep over the OCC not crediting her on a UK #60 midweek hit :lol:

 

(Neither version is charting on either Spotify or Apple so not even necessarily sure it is the more popular version here? Sure it is on iTunes but even there it's not a big gap now)

Given that the original is reliably charting every day in the US, Canada, Australia & New Zealand and the remix spent 1 day in a few charts, I imagine the UK probably is streaming the original more.

but reading the OCC piece about Peru, it seems to me they're addressing in general the topic of how they credit, saying they credit what the labels tell them

which sure ifs fine and has always been the case, sure if the label says this is an Eminem solo single and Dido is not credited, the OCC won't invent that credit

but in the article they're just talking about that, about credits in general,

they do not address the issue that if a song has charted already, for the last 3 years a new remix was not allowed to chart

they didn't allow any exceptions (I don't count Goosebumps as Travis was the original artist)

but they did an exception with Ed and Peru. In the article it doesn't address this. I simply cannot believe that it's a matter of asking, otherwise hundreds would have asked,

when the article is talking about asking the occ, it's talking about credits in general, not about the particular case of changing a credit for a song that had charted already

 

Sorry but this is such a baffling hill to repeatedly choose to die on. Even if it was true that 'Peru' was the only case of a song that already charted that had its credit changed (which it isn't, 'Goosebumps' was the exact same scenario regardless of what mental gymnastics you are using to justify that being different) that is at most a coincidental observation, it's not evidence that they for some reason have a specific rule against that which only Ed is allowed to break. The OCC don't enforce some of the rules that they have published, what makes you think they are hellbent on enforcing this made up rule that they haven't...

Like balling is remix done well streaming not original one

Meanwhile, poor brave SL who no one seems to have noticed has been snubbed on the OCC chart listing for his feature on 'Nice & Good' by Knucks. (And that being another reason to really not take the OCC's credits as any kind of gospel)

Do we get an update today??