They really should be trying to field a unity candidate instead of doubling down on putting all their eggs in the basket of ignorant and angry old people. That is by its very nature a finite demographic and by chasing them at the cost of being so strongly against younger people's concerns and values they are setting themselves up for a massive fall.

 

Jeremy Hunt and Tom Togendhat are the closest to a unity candidate left in the contest I would say?

There are 11 million over 65s a fair portion of whom have dementia or are frightened to leave the house or too ill to worry about voting.

 

There are 13 million voters under 40.

 

So maybe the apathy of some of the under 40s should be the focus rather than older people who always get more conservative with a small c as they age. The young generation will be no exception when they get older any more than my generation have been.

Young folk are the ones with the energy and ambition to change things. But it takes time to get there and you have to persuade people to go along with you. Attacking other people for their opinions whatever they are is not a great way to win votes. You argue against the issues and be convincing in what you say and keep the moral high ground. And criticise politicians because they are the ones doing the damage.

The real problem was brexit lies and people of all ages voting for it and the party promising to carry it out.

 

Buzzjack, bless it, does not collectively speak for everyone on every subject. If it did brexit would have failed and we would have a labour government.

 

Most of the sane Tories were booted out by Johnson. Whoever gets voted into the job is not going to make much of anything positive in 2 years other than a late buy voters tax cut so it really doesnt matter who they pick. They lied about brexit lied about levelling up lied about the NHS support and lied we would all be better off. I angrily argued

in bitter discussions following 2016 that the tories would f*** us all up and they have. So labour and journalists need to remind them and us for 2 years what theyve done and avoid slagging off those that believed the lies. Cos thosevotes would be very useful! And it might work wonders!!!🥳

It's a shame she's now reneging on her position and throwing trans people under a bus in a cynical move to win favour from the TERFs online.

 

Then you have candidates like Cruella who would gladly have trans people rounded up, no doubt.

There are 11 million over 65s a fair portion of whom have dementia or are frightened to leave the house or too ill to worry about voting.

 

There are 13 million voters under 40.

 

So maybe the apathy of some of the under 40s should be the focus rather than older people who always get more conservative with a small c as they age. The young generation will be no exception when they get older any more than my generation have been.

 

I would disagree with some of that as of now. Whilst people traditionally get more conservative as they age, that only happens if they feel like there is something worth conserving and feel like they have a stake in the country, and giving that the % of people under 40 who are homeowners has fallen off a cliff, there is nothing to keep them anchored to conservatism. It's why it's strange that as a long-term strategy the Tories haven't invested more in building millions of new homes and ignoring the NIMBYS to allow first time buyers to finally make their way on to the property ladder by increasing stock and depressing prices, as it's the most effective way to guarantee a Tory voter for life (I'm not saying owning a house a Tory makes, but you're more likely to be a Tory if you own one). It's interesting to note that Margaret Thatcher won the plurality of 18-24s in at least one General Election, and she pursued policies that made it easier to own a home - although I whole-heartedly disagree with her most celebrated method of doing so, selling off the stock of social housing - I would prefer that social housing remains in government hands, or if Right-To-Buy must exist, then there must be a buy-one-after-selling-one policy.

 

It's because of this that I'm pretty sure that if the Tories don't focus on house building, they will still win the next General Election, but will lose the one after it by an unprecedented landslide.

 

the shivers I get from reading that headline

 

clearly designed to ward off people looking at his record as Chancellor which is decidedly un-Thatcherite (and if parts of it were less stupid or vindictive it would have been good economics), whether the Conservative base will believe him is another issue, I do see him winning against most of the contenders still.

Millennials and Gen Z will never become Tory. Sorry. We are the most liberal generations IN HISTORY. It's just a fact.

The Tories are running this campaign like its the 80s with a nasty Section 28 style politics (wouldn't be surprised if Badenoch or Braverman get further down the LGBT assault route), Thatcherist politics and zero compassion. Mind you it's always the Tories, even the "compassionate" ones like Cameron and Osbourne destroyed the lifestyles of the less fortunate to protect them rich mates.

Mordaunt does a really effective campaign launch (by the Tories standards, she had to throw more transphobia in). Very skilled media campaigner and great on presentation. Hers to lose - and sadly think the public would vote for her over Starmer. Mabye Labour should get policies and an actual vision for this country if they can't rely on a diabolical Tory opponent.

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Good news as Rees Smog and The Nut Job back Liz Truss under that BBC headline about child slavery smuggling. Hopefully it'll do the trick for all 3 of 'em.

 

Is it true the chosen Logo for Tom Tug spells out TIT? It's either starting your PM bid with a terrible decision or some wag is having a laugh with a dab of creative photoshopping....

 

Sweller Bravo targets benefit fraudsters to become The Chosen One. Oddly, as Armando ianucci pointed out, she's not targeting Business fraud or non-dom tax-avoiders which loses the taxpayer at least 10 times the amount through fraud that Benefit dodgers do. Poss just doesnt want to mention it in case Savid or the other baldy get the nomination and she's after a cushy top job.

 

All going wonderfully well so far I must say.

 

TIT sounds like a Only Fools and Horses joke :D

They really should be trying to field a unity candidate instead of doubling down on putting all their eggs in the basket of ignorant and angry old people. That is by its very nature a finite demographic and by chasing them at the cost of being so strongly against younger people's concerns and values they are setting themselves up for a massive fall.

 

Sadly the unity candidate seems to be Hunt!

I would disagree with some of that as of now. Whilst people traditionally get more conservative as they age, that only happens if they feel like there is something worth conserving and feel like they have a stake in the country, and giving that the % of people under 40 who are homeowners has fallen off a cliff, there is nothing to keep them anchored to conservatism. It's why it's strange that as a long-term strategy the Tories haven't invested more in building millions of new homes and ignoring the NIMBYS to allow first time buyers to finally make their way on to the property ladder by increasing stock and depressing prices, as it's the most effective way to guarantee a Tory voter for life (I'm not saying owning a house a Tory makes, but you're more likely to be a Tory if you own one). It's interesting to note that Margaret Thatcher won the plurality of 18-24s in at least one General Election, and she pursued policies that made it easier to own a home - although I whole-heartedly disagree with her most celebrated method of doing so, selling off the stock of social housing - I would prefer that social housing remains in government hands, or if Right-To-Buy must exist, then there must be a buy-one-after-selling-one policy.

 

It's because of this that I'm pretty sure that if the Tories don't focus on house building, they will still win the next General Election, but will lose the one after it by an unprecedented landslide.

 

Well it doesn't apply to everyone - me and Suedey frintance - but ti's not just house building that wins votes, it's social policies, foreigners, NHS, tax, inflation and defence to name but a view of the reasons people will vote a certain way at a certain time. Older people have tendency to view the olden days through rose-tinted glasses and have a bias towards those viewed as being closer to the old way of life and more resistant to change, young people are more impatient for changing things which are unfair. Both can be persuaded by bullshitters, though. Having your own house certainly does affect how you vote though, as you say. People who got gifted half-price houses are far more likely to vote Tory. Those who pay huge rents they can barely afford won't be so fussed about voting for them.

 

people are still able to buy Council houses at a rapid rate. My Council built Council Housing on a former football field 7 or 8 years ago, and 4 of them have already gone Right To Buy - these are brand new, Environmentally-compliant (higher standards than private housing) pretty much - and the Gov is threatening expanding RTB to Housing Associations which would be a disaster if the shortfall in the sale price has to met by Councils, as was suggested. But yes, it would def encourage those benefitting to vote Tory. And most of 'em won't be old voters. A lot of older voters know what's going on with their kids and grandkids struggling. Tories think they have the oldies vote sewn up, but it ain't necessarily so. The main targeted voters should be those working, those are the ones who decide election results.

Millennials and Gen Z will never become Tory. Sorry. We are the most liberal generations IN HISTORY. It's just a fact.

 

LOL :lol: Every generation says they will never get old. And then they do. Previous generations have voted left before and then voted in Tories a few years later. If all under-40's voted Labour we would have a Labour Government, but they don't all vote Labour. A large percentage don;t vote at all. Not everyone is interested in politics. They just mildly listen to bits and bobs on the telly now and again and see how they feel on the day, if they aren't too busy.

 

Good to hear you are Liberal though :lol: and your generation is able to be liberal thanks to previous generations working hard to get equalities and social policies. It wasn't suddenly invented in Student Union bars in 2008 :D

Johnson said at today’s PMQs that it was his last session. Another PMQs is scheduled for next week. Looks like he’s finishing the way he started by bunking off.

Just to note popchartfreak when I said ignorant and angry old people I meant that as a subset of the group, not that ALL old people are ignorant and angry. Obviously I have a lot of respect for those who aren't.

Well I hope whoever gets in was not part of Johnson’s incompetent cabinet. I suspect it will go down to either Sunak or Mordaunt, both of whom concern me for different reasons. I’d prefer Hunt out of all of them but think it’s unlikely he will make the T2. It would be a disaster if Liz Truss makes it. She is vile and has no proper social skills.

YouGov apparently puts Penny Lane ahead by a "huge margin"

It'll be Rishi, which is a bad thing, as he eill be popular.

Someone earlier out it fantastically, it doesn't really matter who we get, all of them are pandering to a different voter base and their signature policies will be tax cuts. None of them have the same box office as Boris in a general election.

YouGov apparently puts Penny Lane ahead by a "huge margin"

 

It seems those want a less controversial middle ground Tory candidate have rallied around her.

Just to note popchartfreak when I said ignorant and angry old people I meant that as a subset of the group, not that ALL old people are ignorant and angry. Obviously I have a lot of respect for those who aren't.

 

Oh no worries J00p:) I didnt take it that way, and I get frustrated by some close older friends who are utterly blinkered to reality, it just gave me an opportunity to go off on a sermon when I should have been winding down to doze to The Golden Girls. That's how to grow old disgracefully! My role models.... :lol: