*Of course it's always important to uphold and defend rights that have been won, but the right (the donors and politicians broadly speaking I mean) don't actually care about immigration, LGBT rights or "wokeism" one way or the other, they just know that they can use those issues to hide the fact they want to screw over not just the working class, but anyone outside their inner circle of obscene wealth, or those benefitting from that wealth by acting in those interests.

You've hit the nail on the head there. Most people don't take much notice of politics. Therefore, it is possible for a party to gain votes by pandering to prejudices, safe in the knowledge that many of those people won't take any notice of the party's other policies. Once elected, that party will well and truly shaft a lot of their voters.

I’m a lot more moderate than I used to be (always been more left, now closer to the centre). But now I feel like I sort of see through it all. I’m not one to go with the crowd so I don’t feel comfortable identifying as either when I know my views don’t fully align with either. I know we don’t really have a two-party system here but we might as well with the way things are nowadays.

I am a full-time Keith hater now x

 

(I still want to see the Tories lose which is a dilemma)

 

Welcome x

 

Serious question: why do people hate Starmer? He seems decent.

 

And you'll get a Tory government if he doesn't win.

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Where do you even start re: Starmer?

 

Broke all of his pledges when he ran for Labour leadership

Worrying authoritarian control over the whole Labour party re: selections - always shutting out the left

Was pro-Remain now pledging never to bring Britain back to the EU, not even the Single Market despite public opinion and economy crying out for it

Patronising, charisma free style

Won't offer the radical change needed in these worrying times

 

That said, I get 100% what you say about not wanting Tories in so if he has to be PM then so be it (because it will be him or Sunak, unless the latter is dumped by his party). The current thinking of progressives is to have a Tory out vote which will mean voting Lib Dem in the South/West and Labour everywhere else (there will be websites with much more detailed instructions on what to vote in what area). I would hope Lib Dems get lots of seats so they have influence over Starmer because they are better on most policies nowadays.

They only are because Starmer has led the donkeys to the right so as usual the LDs move left, British politics is so i democratic and controlled!

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if Starmer is a state plant!