While I get those point and agree to an extent (Madonna could take note)... I genuinely think the artists mentioned are legacy acts and have lasted for as long as they have because they maintain a sense of integrity with their artistry? I wouldn't want Kylie to do this, I'd want her to continue marketing the way she does and continue to build respect in the music world. Some songs fail to capture the public attention, others do and that's part of the fun.

 

If they "stooped" to this level constantly would they still be in the game decades later? Who knows!

 

Kylie and other female acts use every tactic too let's not kid ourselves and throw around the word integrity. They just don't use the mass CD single thing as they don't have a mass fanbase. Whilst releasing 10 formats of an album so your die hard 2k fans all buy a copy can get you a high album position, in singles you still need good streams to get a high chart placing. You also need a big general fanbase to snap up the cheap CD singles.

Kylie could do the CD single thing (and might well do with her next lead) but it will only get her to #59 or something like that as she wont have the streams or general fans to get it higher so why bother?

I think it's different to just have a cd single (with different variants) available in general compared to selling signed singles in specific market only which is the case here: Lewis doesn't even want anyone outside the UK to buy it. Same with LadBaby - they wanted to be #1 in the UK and everything they did aimed at that goal only. They completely ignored other markets.

 

I would think Kylie has at least some interest to sell cd's in Australia, Germany etc..

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Kylie and other female acts use every tactic too let's not kid ourselves and throw around the word integrity. They just don't use the mass CD single thing as they don't have a mass fanbase. Whilst releasing 10 formats of an album so your die hard 2k fans all buy a copy can get you a high album position, in singles you still need good streams to get a high chart placing. You also need a big general fanbase to snap up the cheap CD singles.

Kylie could do the CD single thing (and might well do with her next lead) but it will only get her to #59 or something like that as she wont have the streams or general fans to get it higher so why bother?

 

as usual you see what you wanna see,

everybody these days is releasing multuvariants x albums, absolutely everybody,

if you think only female acts do, you need a reality check on planet earth

everybody does, rock bands, indie acts, dance acts, boybands, singer-songwriter

I mean you can just as easily say 'at least RAYE's numbers come from people actually listening to the song rather than dropping 99p on a signed paperweight'. And given the charts are primarily driven by streaming rather than sales these days Capaldi is the one who is clearly outside the norm so obviously it's going to cause more people to comment on it. (Not that we don't get our fair share of people constantly criticising the impact of playlists on the streaming charts as well)

 

That's fair enough, and really RAYE does objectively deserve to hold on to the #1 based on its genuine popularity

 

But it's also a bit unfair of some people to suggest the Lewis single is a fanbase hit and not a real hit, when it's top 10 on Amazon and Apple, and the only reason it's not doing well on Spotify is because of its lesser support from the playlists

 

And really this is a perfect example of why something needs to be done about the power of playlists.

Received the signed Lewis selfie CD. I say signed, he’s basically made squiggle marks over his face. Pointless indeed!

Received the signed Lewis selfie CD. I say signed, he’s basically made squiggle marks over his face. Pointless indeed!

Or at least someone has made them...

Think Taylor will be on around 10K in albums

Is there any big release that could challenge x #1 until Sam Smith?

Possibly Courteeners with their 15th anniversary edition of 'St. Jude' on the 13th, and Måneskin will certainly make it to the top the week after.

But it's also a bit unfair of some people to suggest the Lewis single is a fanbase hit and not a real hit, when it's top 10 on Amazon and Apple, and the only reason it's not doing well on Spotify is because of its lesser support from the playlists

All I’m saying is that it will be a fanbase #1 when its true popularity only warrants low Top 10. I’m certainly not saying it shouldn’t be a hit.

Imagine if Lewis had done this last week and potentially blocked Raye then haha

I think it's different to just have a cd single (with different variants) available in general compared to selling signed singles in specific market only which is the case here: Lewis doesn't even want anyone outside the UK to buy it. Same with LadBaby - they wanted to be #1 in the UK and everything they did aimed at that goal only. They completely ignored other markets.

 

I would think Kylie has at least some interest to sell cd's in Australia, Germany etc..

 

Why does that matter? So he/his label want to be number 1. Trust me so does Kylie/her label and if they thought making signed CD singles UK exclusives would get her to #1 they would be doing it but it wouldn't get her to #1 so why bother.

 

That's fair enough, and really RAYE does objectively deserve to hold on to the #1 based on its genuine popularity

 

But it's also a bit unfair of some people to suggest the Lewis single is a fanbase hit and not a real hit, when it's top 10 on Amazon and Apple, and the only reason it's not doing well on Spotify is because of its lesser support from the playlists

 

And really this is a perfect example of why something needs to be done about the power of playlists.

 

I do agree that it's not fair to say the song isn't a hit anyway (if anyone is saying that), as I said the other day it being #15 in its fifth week is not exactly bad and indeed it would presumably be higher if it had better Spotify playlist spots (which it might still get in the future, I just doubt they'd be enough to propel the song all the way to #1).

 

I'm fairly neutral on this, if he has the fanbase power to get the #1 within the rules then I can't blame him for going for it, the only reason I am groaning about it in this instance is that I don't like the song. What I have a bit more of an issue with is labels pulling forward the date of their physical releases at the drop of a hat because they already know the numbers and know it can guarantee them a #1 they wouldn't have otherwise got in that week (see Harry Styles vs. Sam Ryder and Taylor Swift vs. Fontaines D.C.), because that's pretty clearly anti-consumer if they have the power to get the product to the fans sooner than advertised but don't do it unless it gives them the arbitrary benefit of a higher chart position. Especially egregious in Harry's case because the song was already #1 for ages and I really refuse to believe just having one extra week is that big of a deal to the label, all it did was deny what would have been a great chart story for Sam (and would have been a rare #1 that actually received wider media attention).

 

(in this case Lewis likely would have been as much of a #1 contender next week as well if he had stuck to that release week, and in any case the decision was made to count them to this week before they could know for sure it would be enough for #1, and indeed it still might not be)

I don’t mind the song, I just don’t like the title - just as “Closer” by Chainsmokers will forever be known as “Getting Older” and abcdefu will forever be known as “Everybody But Your Dog”, I’m just going to call this “Everything Is Pointless” - much better haha

I presume you're only speaking for yourself there as I've certainly never seen anyone else take issue to those titles :ph34r:

 

George Ezra's 'Anyone For You' definitely should have been called 'Tiger Lily' though... oh wait x

I don’t mind the song, I just don’t like the title - just as “Closer” by Chainsmokers will forever be known as “Getting Older” and abcdefu will forever be known as “Everybody But Your Dog”, I’m just going to call this “Everything Is Pointless” - much better haha

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to 'abcdefu' as 'Everybody But Your Dog' :lol:

Yeah, it’s just me - abcdefu is such a bizarre title. I have a list of songs really that I just retitle for my own amusement and sanity.

I've now also seen a pinned sponsored Facebook post from Lewis asking him to get the song to #1. The desperation is high

Yet he’s not telling his fans to stream the song despite streaming accounting for more than 50% of total sales

Yet he’s not telling his fans to stream the song despite streaming accounting for more than 50% of total sales

I mean if they are his fans they are probably already streaming it? By purchasing it on iTunes for 59p he’s racking up more sales, as we can clearly see in the breakdown of chart sales on yesterdays update

Yet he’s not telling his fans to stream the song despite streaming accounting for more than 50% of total sales

 

A pure sale counts anywhere between 100x and 1,200x more than a stream (not to mention that the streaming cap makes it impossible for any one person to contribute a full sales unit to a song in a week through streaming alone), it is significantly more efficient to push for a short burst of pure sales to inflate a chart position than to ask for more people to stream it which would be barely a drop in the ocean. The market share has nothing to do with it.

If Pointless does get to #1 it'll be quite the bizarre chart run given it's likely to plummet the week after!