May 12, 20241 yr Okay found the data, let's look at some facts rather than "logic" x 14th Ireland, Ukraine 16th Lithuania, Spain 17th Australia, Finland, Malta, Portugal 18th Estonia, Iceland 19th Azerbaijan, Czechia, Poland 20th Cyprus, Latvia, San Marino, Sweden 21st Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway 22nd Belgium, Georgia, Moldova, Netherlands, Slovenia, Switzerland 23rd Armenia, Austria, France, Germany, Greece, Italy 24th Albania, Croatia, Israel, Serbia And "Rest of the World" was 16th/17th it looks like. Obviously not just outside the top 10 for the majority of countries, could be a better outcome really. Countries beyond the "friendlier" ones giving us placements in line with the likes of Ireland and Australia though x Would be interesting to compare this data with some other recent non-Sam Ryder UK entries to really put it into context. From memory this picture is better than Mae - she sneaked a few points but had mostly near last placings.
May 12, 20241 yr It wasn’t a great performance, or great staging or a great song. That’s why it didn’t so well. Olly was probably the weakest singer on the show which doesn’t help for a start. Edited May 12, 20241 yr by Marty
May 12, 20241 yr Okay found the data, let's look at some facts rather than "logic" x 14th Ireland, Ukraine 16th Lithuania, Spain 17th Australia, Finland, Malta, Portugal 18th Estonia, Iceland 19th Azerbaijan, Czechia, Poland 20th Cyprus, Latvia, San Marino, Sweden 21st Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway 22nd Belgium, Georgia, Moldova, Netherlands, Slovenia, Switzerland 23rd Armenia, Austria, France, Germany, Greece, Italy 24th Albania, Croatia, Israel, Serbia And "Rest of the World" was 16th/17th it looks like. Obviously not just outside the top 10 for the majority of countries, could be a better outcome really. Countries beyond the "friendlier" ones giving us placements in line with the likes of Ireland and Australia though x Would be interesting to compare this data with some other recent non-Sam Ryder UK entries to really put it into context. Yeah that's in line with mathematical logic. If you were constantly 11-16 by the law of averages you'd have a few sub 20 votes and a few top 10’s the fact he had no top 10’s suggests he was on average at least 15 or lower so this data just affirms the logic. When you throw in UK’s default unpopularity with phone voting you gotta lean more towards the likelihood being lower. It was a thankless task, doing well with the UK label is a mountain to climb no hate to him but people just a lil deluded if they thought he was just missing out over and over is all I was trying to get across.
May 12, 20241 yr I had a feeling it would go like this, maybe not to the extent of 0 points on the televote but it’s just a decent radio friendly song, nothing special, and his vocals really weren’t great. I expect a lot of people liked the song well enough but not enough to actually vote for it. And that’s our issue, with this and I Wrote A Song it was just a case of them being decent pop songs and nothing more, but that’s not enough for Eurovision. I think we need to do a big vocal song again like Space Man or honestly take a risk with something in Gaelic or Welsh, just go totally different. I do think they will just put less effort in again since even then, it’s easy ratings for the BBC really.
May 12, 20241 yr Agree with what Liam and others have been saying about the song and performance. I think the staging didn’t tell enough of a story - here’s a homoerotic locker room scene might have been a talking point 20 years ago but not now. Also to reiterate that in a pool of 37 countries doing their best you aren’t going to do well each year. We’ve just effectively come 18th out of 37 so that’s really nothing to be ashamed about.
May 12, 20241 yr The only times we’ve come top ten this century are with great singers, not even singing particularly amazing songs. So maybe the BBC should just aim for the jury points next year in the first instance and try and find a standout singer like Jessica/Jade/Sam. Then if we can actually for once pair that with an amazing song, with a standout performance, we might motivate the televote too and stand half a chance.
May 12, 20241 yr Yeah that's in line with mathematical logic. If you were constantly 11-16 by the law of averages you'd have a few sub 20 votes and a few top 10’s the fact he had no top 10’s suggests he was on average at least 15 or lower so this data just affirms the logic. When you throw in UK’s default unpopularity with phone voting you gotta lean more towards the likelihood being lower. It was a thankless task, doing well with the UK label is a mountain to climb no hate to him but people just a lil deluded if they thought he was just missing out over and over is all I was trying to get across. Oh god, not another ’we just can’t do well because we are the uk everyone hates us omg send pity’ post. I thought Sam would stop the constant whining for at least a few more years 😅
May 12, 20241 yr The only times we’ve come top ten this century are with great singers, not even singing particularly amazing songs. So maybe the BBC should just aim for the jury points next year in the first instance and try and find a standout singer like Jessica/Jade/Sam. Then if we can actually for once pair that with an amazing song, with a standout performance, we might motivate the televote too and stand half a chance. I really liked "I Wrote A Song" it deserved much better, but the vocals were not good. Olly improved but still not great. A better vocalist might do better next year for sure.
May 12, 20241 yr With hindsight and Olly being announced last year he really should have teased maybe 3 or 4 songs on TikTok or even release an EP in January that he had been working on and seen what one got the best reaction. Instead of letting the BBC choose as they don’t always get it right or want to get it right. I think the early announcement of the artist was a wasted opportunity. I really can’t see how the BBC and Polydor thought ‘Dizzy’ was going to do well. I wouldn’t have selected it as a lead single never mind a Eurovision entry. Edited May 12, 20241 yr by darrens94
May 12, 20241 yr Author To me the staging is the least of their problems. I think it actually stands out with the dirty locker room vibe and the moments pertaining to dizziness. That ending with squares breaking down into a whirpool some sort of thing is highly mesmerising. I agree that the biggest problem is the vocals and the song. This year has been extremely strong with the quality and every song has at least something unique in its production (or if not the performance is). Hope the UK tries something different with the song because Ireland got very far with it.
May 12, 20241 yr Bringing back a selection competition show should now be considered. Let the public decide again.
May 12, 20241 yr Poor Olly. Though I agree Dizzy is generic compared to a lot of the other entries and his vocals, while far better at the final than at the semi, aren’t really strong enough for a vocal moment. I think next year they should send Alexandra Burke. The UK public might not like her much but other Europeans might!
May 12, 20241 yr Poor Olly. Though I agree Dizzy is generic compared to a lot of the other entries and his vocals, while far better at the final than at the semi, aren’t really strong enough for a vocal moment. I think next year they should send Alexandra Burke. The UK public might not like her much but other Europeans might! I was thinking about Alexandra being sent just last night! :lol: I think she is at that stage in her career to be able to pull it off to success too. She can do a big strong ballad and/or give a great performance of a highly catchy pop song!
May 12, 20241 yr I was thinking about Alexandra being sent just last night! :lol: I think she is at that stage in her career to be able to pull it off to success too. She can do a big strong ballad and/or give a great performance of a highly catchy pop song!I do often think they should send X Factor winners. There are some you probably wouldn't go near (Steve Brookstein) but there's others where you feel the person could, with the right song, make a real impact.
May 12, 20241 yr Bringing back a selection competition show should now be considered. Let the public decide again.Unfortunately that doesn't prevent the song being unpopular across the rest of the world. The 2016-19 selection shows didn't produce particularly good results, apart from Lucie perhaps.
May 12, 20241 yr Speaking of selections we should send Cassyette next time because: she is not a typical ILR artist She wrote a top 10 Eurovision song She could easily make something that would connect with the audience and the jury could lap it up Edited May 12, 20241 yr by SimpsonFan
May 12, 20241 yr Author Unfortunately that doesn't prevent the song being unpopular across the rest of the world. The 2016-19 selection shows didn't produce particularly good results, apart from Lucie perhaps. Adding to that Lucie's song was heavily revamped after she won too
May 12, 20241 yr Interesting - I didn't realise that Cassyette co-wrote Burn the Witch! I see that one half of Wargasm did too.
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