The same reason there is no proof to say she would NEVER include DWAS, can be said there is no proof it was included in the album to begin with during its original release. It’s merely an indifference of an opinion, because her original post (which has been publicised by various media outlets) implied it was released as a standalone single whilst fans wait for the release of LG7. See the difference where Disease was promoted heavily as the LEAD single of LG7 and DWAS had little to no recognition on the new upcoming project by Gaga herself. THAT is why it was questioned because of her outtake on the song has changed from day 1 of release to now.

 

Again I wasn’t criticising her for doing what she did by including it, if you actually see my previous posts I supported the decision. I merely commented on how the album would FLOW given how sonically Disease and DWAS differs (which would affect a critics opinion on a score of an album and yes as a fan of mother herself I’d like her new album to be critically acclaimed too please thank you). Also I am aware she stated there are multiple genres on the album (omg yes I too follow Gaga news shock horror) but having Disease flowing into a song like DWAS just feels off as a listener listening to the full album in its whole glory but we shall see how it fares upon seeing the track list and hearing all the songs upon release.

 

Whether a song performed poorly or good is again subject to opinion. I PERSONALLY (see the emphasis on the word) think Disease performed poorly in comparison to some of her other lead singles, and this is coming from a die hard stan who has the song as Gaga’s 5th best song she’s ever released.

 

This is a music forum to DISCUSS music so if there’s something to discuss on the matter musically then it should be encouraged and not frowned upon, as long as the discussion is HEALTHY (in which this case it has been).

The Fame - Brown Eyes

The Fame Monster - Speechless

Born This Way - You and I (and there songs like Judas, and a rock song like Electric chapel)

ARTPOP - Dope (an album with songs like Jewels 'n' drugs and Swine)

Joanne - Million Reasons and many others

Chromatica - 1000 Doves

LG7 - Die With a Smile

 

As we can see, every Gaga album always has a ballad or a song that clashes with everything else, which has never stopped all of her albums from being acclaimed and having a green score on metacritic, so I don't know where you got that she including DWAS on the album could harm her in some way. Either you don't know the artist you say you're a fan of or you're making all this fuss just for clout, because I know I wouldn't see so much controversy if the song was a flop. I've already proven with several examples that almost every artist has done this type of strategy before and no one took them to the gallows, this only happens in this fan base. She does what she wants and doesn't need to explain to anyone about the moves she does regarding her art and her career.

I think you're being needlessly melodramatic here to say we've "taken her to the gallows". I'd even go so far as to say you've done some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.

 

All that's been said realistically is that we hope the album flows with it being tagged on (which we won't know until we hear it, and we actually said we'd reserve judgement on). It's hardly worth having a hernia over, Christ almighty.

 

Also you've been very critical of her decisions in the past in a way which reeks of sheer entitlement, so get off your high horse on that one hun.

I think you're being needlessly melodramatic here to say we've "taken her to the gallows". I'd even go so far as to say you've done some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.

 

All that's been said realistically is that we hope the album flows with it being tagged on (which we won't know until we hear it, and we actually said we'd reserve judgement on). It's hardly worth having a hernia over, Christ almighty.

 

Also you've been very critical of her decisions in the past in a way which reeks of sheer entitlement, so get off your high horse on that one hun.

I said that y'all are taking her to the gallows because I didn't want to say what I really wanted to say: y'all are being misogynistic in crediting only Bruno for the success of the song and discrediting her considering that y'all are debating the fact that she included HER song on HER album, which she performed, produced AND wrote. It's her art, her work, she has every right to do whatever she wants with it, the song is as much hers as it is Bruno's.

 

She has already said both in this interview and in her Christmas Carpool appearance that the album has several genres and that this represents the chaos that is precisely the album's theme. If you're expecting some flow on it, you won't find it, she's already made us aware, so DWAS makes perfect sense to be on the album by being the total opposite of Disease.

 

There is a difference between criticism that builds and criticism that destroys. I always wish the best for her. You will never see me criticizing Gaga for wanting to be successful through her own work like y'all are doing.

I haven't even once mentioned Bruno ffs, nor have I credited only Bruno with the success of the song. In fact, check here:

 

50/50 I'd say

 

Nor have I disputed that she can do what she wants with the song. I simply said "I hope it fits on the album", which of course none of us will know until said album gets here.

 

The Fame - Brown Eyes

The Fame Monster - Speechless

Born This Way - You and I (and there songs like Judas, and a rock song like Electric chapel)

ARTPOP - Dope (an album with songs like Jewels 'n' drugs and Swine)

Joanne - Million Reasons and many others

Chromatica - 1000 Doves

LG7 - Die With a Smile

 

As we can see, every Gaga album always has a ballad or a song that clashes with everything else, which has never stopped all of her albums from being acclaimed and having a green score on metacritic, so I don't know where you got that she including DWAS on the album could harm her in some way. Either you don't know the artist you say you're a fan of or you're making all this fuss just for clout, because I know I wouldn't see so much controversy if the song was a flop. I've already proven with several examples that almost every artist has done this type of strategy before and no one took them to the gallows, this only happens in this fan base. She does what she wants and doesn't need to explain to anyone about the moves she does regarding her art and her career.

 

As an artist who puts out artwork in any shape of form, she puts it out there for people to listen, admire and for it to be critiqued. That is the purpose of an artist’s art. I am very VERY well aware she has numerous ballads on her albums but does that make the album sound cohesive? That itself is a subject of debate as some of the songs you mentioned above for ME don’t fit the album itself (some do as the softer-pop songs on the album blend with these ballads and thus make them feel like one complete project).

 

On the subject of metacritic, I’d like for mother herself to get a universal acclaimed album with a score of 80+ because I am a fan of her. Oh and on the subject of a fan, I have been following mother herself before she even got to #1 on the ARIA charts with Just Dance many many many years ago so don’t come from the angle that I don’t know the artist that I’m a fan of, as I stan hard but I’m also not a deluded fan.

 

Thirdly, where did you get this assumption I think the song is a Bruno song and automatically have a view that Gaga doesn’t have the right to put the song onto her album and use it as her piece of work??

Adelita I think you are projecting a narrative that is present from Twitter and other places that the fans are having right now onto Jessie Where and Oricon in this thread when neither has said anything of the sort that you're claiming they have. :unsure:

Actually from MY PERSONAL level when she released DWAS, it was clear from my interpretation that she didn’t intend for the project to be part of LG7 but rather a standalone single. IF it was intended for the album, it would’ve been clearly marketed as that to begin with in day 1 and labelled as the lead single. All of that was omitted, so from MY END Gaga herself had a change of heart seeing how big the song was and how Disease poorly performed and included into the album.

 

There is nothing to say she can’t include the album as it is her song, just as much as Bruno’s, but I’m merely stating what was presented to us.

 

That’s MY theory and two cents on the matter. I’m not criticising Gaga on the song being included on the album (but just questioned how it’d flow as an overall project sonically) as you said it is her song at the end of the day, but rather how it became clear to me that the song was a success and as a result became attached to the project.

 

 

Nobody else felt like you were criticising her, and you're right she clearly marketed it as a stand along single at the beginning. :heart:

You have repeatedly put her words on the table and tried to deny her allegations about her own work by claiming she's just doing it for the numbers:

 

I just hope it actually fits, rather than sounding awkwardly shoehorned in for streaming purposes!

I think it was the case that it wasn't going to be, but realising they had to include it after how big it's been.

 

I don't believe her when she says it was "always a part of the project"

Should I say anything else or will you deny what you said?

 

As an artist who puts out artwork in any shape of form, she puts it out there for people to listen, admire and for it to be critiqued. That is the purpose of an artist’s art. I am very VERY well aware she has numerous ballads on her albums but does that make the album sound cohesive? That itself is a subject of debate as some of the songs you mentioned above for ME don’t fit the album itself (some do as the softer-pop songs on the album blend with these ballads and thus make them feel like one complete project).

 

On the subject of metacritic, I’d like for mother herself to get a universal acclaimed album with a score of 80+ because I am a fan of her. Oh and on the subject of a fan, I have been following mother herself before she even got to #1 on the ARIA charts with Just Dance many many many years ago so don’t come from the angle that I don’t know the artist that I’m a fan of, as I stan hard but I’m also not a deluded fan.

 

Thirdly, where did you get this assumption I think the song is a Bruno song and automatically have a view that Gaga doesn’t have the right to put the song onto her album and use it as her piece of work??

I understand that for YOU, these songs don't fit into her albums, but anyone else has every right to think they actually fit into her albums and they will remain on them just like DWAS will remain on LG7. Every fan can give their opinion but they are not in charge of it, the one who has the final word on Lady Gaga's work is Lady Gaga herself so if she decided it will be like this, it will be like this.

 

Gaga came close to having a universally acclaimed album on Metacritic with Chromatica (79), however, she will never have one as long as haters are in the editorial offices of magazines like Slant, always making biased reviews of her stuff. It's not about her work itself but about how jealous people are of her and want to see her fail since day 1.

 

And yes, you discredited her words when you made that comment:

 

The only thing is how Gaga contradicted herself, when releasing DWAS it was to keep fans happy in the meantime whilst waiting for LG7 and now the stance has turned into ‘it was always part of the album to begin with and a piece within it’ .

She had never said that she would never include DWAS on the album in first place. You made that up and now you want to call her a liar, like?

Nobody else felt like you were criticising her, and you're right she clearly marketed it as a stand along single at the beginning. :heart:

Just like she never said she wouldn't include it on her album. Everyone can do it, but when Gaga does it it becomes a sin and controversy begins and I'm sick of it.

Just like she never said she wouldn't include it on her album. Everyone can do it, but when Gaga does it it becomes a sin and controversy begins and I'm sick of it.

 

 

I honestly don't see your narrative in this thread. They were simply reacting to the belief that it wasn't going to be included on the album, not criticising her for it. Everyone is a fan of Gaga in this thread at the end of the day. :heart:

 

I mean, to be fair I said the exact same thing recently when my absolute fave decided to tack a bunch of unassociated collabs on their album. But sure hun, this is an attack on Gaga herself and I've singled her out.

 

Give your head a wobble. Sociopath much.

I honestly don't see your narrative in this thread. They were simply reacting to the belief that it wasn't going to be included on the album

Who said that? Gaga never said that, you're running around in circles because you can't bring proof that she expressly said she would never include the song on the album.

 

I mean, to be fair I said the exact same thing recently when my absolute fave decided to tack a bunch of unassociated collabs on their album. But sure hun, this is an attack on Gaga herself and I've singled her out.

 

Give your head a wobble. Sociopath much.

Of the four collaborations that your absolute fave included on her album, she only helped write two of them and did not help produce any of the 4 songs. Gaga produced and wrote DWAS with Bruno, it's a totally different situation, as she was there throughout the entire creation process. It's as much hers as it is his, cope.

Who said that? Gaga never said that, you're running around in circles because you can't bring proof that she expressly said she would never include the song on the album.

Of the four collaborations that your absolute fave included on her album, she only helped write two of them and did not help produce any of the 4 songs. Gaga produced and wrote DWAS with Bruno, it's a totally different situation, as she was there throughout the entire creation process. It's as much hers as it is his, cope.

 

 

OK, you continue with your false narrative that everyone is attacking Gaga if it makes you feel better. :blink: I'm out. :heart:

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Oh come through Nurtec's actual patient :cheer:

I feel that the album announcement is very close - maybe on New Year's Day?

I feel that the album announcement is very close - maybe on New Year's Day?

 

Yes hopefully as I think it's meant to be released in Feb? Reveal tracklisting/title, put on pre-order and then announce next single release sometime in Jan? *_*

We really need the pre-order up! I'm so worried about vinyl distribution... they better be being made in a factory somewhere ready to drop on release day

Pre-order + third single announcement on New Year's Eve with it dropping on the 3rd would be nice

Unless they've had to re-do it to add DWAS.

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:rofl:

 

Love it