You do know that Southgate has got England to 2 semis and a final? 👀

 

Palmer seems to be the player everyone think would have made a difference but he would have done similar to Foden in the way he plays!

 

How do you know that if he's never given a chance?

 

Hopefully he gets some pitch time against Slovenia.

How utterly predictable. They'll blame the pitch or the weather or the long Prem season/fixture congestion anything other than calling Gareth out for the total incompetent coach he is

 

Gareth Southgate isn't incompetent - the players are. Too much selfishness from players trying to get their moment - and a lack of energy from players going forward. Acting is if they've been told to get the draw at least - which they certainly wouldn't have.

 

He produces much more out of our team than most of his predecessors. Remember when we didn't qualify for the 2008 Euros, when we got knocked out in the group stages of the 2014 World Cup and when we and when we got knocked out by Iceland at the 2016 Euros....

 

Few would have imagined we'd get to a World Cup Semi-Final and a Euros final. I think some people to quick to forget how bad we were before Southgate took over. He's done wonders with the team and a few bad results shouldn't see him shown the door.

 

Yes he clearly needs to change things - and he acknowledged that tonight with the subs - but let's give the man his due.

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I just knew today would be the day that England drop points in the group stage. This peculiar thing of England not winning all their matches in a group stage goes on. They would have needed to step up as Denmark are a better side than Serbia but they couldn't manage it.

 

These first two matches have shown that expectation levels need to be simmered down. It's easy to forget that the path to the final of Euro 2020 was put on a plate once England got past Germany in the last 16. If they had Italy's bracket you wouldn't have banked on them to beat Belgium or Spain.

That was just frustration to watch the front 3 just needs a re shuffle, at the moment it's not working

How do you know that if he's never given a chance?

 

Hopefully he gets some pitch time against Slovenia.

 

Because he comes inside and takes up similar positions when he plays. Not saying he shouldn’t get a chance but there’s always a scapegoat and some god like player on the bench who will make all the difference.

You do know that Southgate has got England to 2 semis and a final? 👀

 

Palmer seems to be the player everyone think would have made a difference but he would have done similar to Foden in the way he plays!

 

Just think people don’t understand international football and think the premier league players will play exactly how they play in the league when they are coached week in week out - it’s not like that in internationals and coaching isn’t possible like in the league. And hey guess what Denmark are a damn good side too.

 

Nobody expects the team to play like properly coached Premier League team. In 2018 we got lucky, but we had a much worse squad and a defensive set up suited us. We’ve actually properly coached players who are tactically in tune and can play on the front foot but we don’t play that way. We score a goal then play behind the ball, I can understand that with 20 minutes to go but we do the same every time. It’s obviously tactical.

Nobody expects the team to play like properly coached Premier League team. In 2018 we got lucky, but we had a much worse squad and a defensive set up suited us. We’ve actually properly coached players who are tactically in tune and can play on the front foot but we don’t play that way. We score a goal then play behind the ball, I can understand that with 20 minutes to go but we do the same every time. It’s obviously tactical.

 

But you said above they are poorly coached. International managers don’t get time to coach much at all.

 

You weren’t lucky in 2018, but disrespectful to say that about the players who made their first wcup semi in nearly 30 years. Then England went one better in the next tournament and got to the final so it was no fluke and he must do something right.

 

In this game Denmark who are a top Int side pressed much better simple as that.

Such a shame England didn't take the opportunity following the Serbia v. Slovenia draw. Nobody's safe yet in Group C.

What a truly awful performance from England. No energy, no drive, and I've never seen the ball being given away so much. They've got a lot to talk about before the next game, let's hope we see a drastic improvement. It would be almost embarrassing if we qualify to the knockout stages with the way we played today!

You do know that Southgate has got England to 2 semis and a final? 👀

 

Palmer seems to be the player everyone think would have made a difference but he would have done similar to Foden in the way he plays!

 

Just think people don’t understand international football and think the premier league players will play exactly how they play in the league when they are coached week in week out - it’s not like that in internationals and coaching isn’t possible like in the league. And hey guess what Denmark are a damn good side too.

 

Palmer is nothing like Foden? Pretty sure players will play how they're supposed to in the right system why wouldn't they? Sometimes I think you just say nonsense for the hell of it.

 

Gareth Southgate isn't incompetent - the players are. Too much selfishness from players trying to get their moment - and a lack of energy from players going forward. Acting is if they've been told to get the draw at least - which they certainly wouldn't have.

 

He produces much more out of our team than most of his predecessors. Remember when we didn't qualify for the 2008 Euros, when we got knocked out in the group stages of the 2014 World Cup and when we and when we got knocked out by Iceland at the 2016 Euros....

 

Few would have imagined we'd get to a World Cup Semi-Final and a Euros final. I think some people to quick to forget how bad we were before Southgate took over. He's done wonders with the team and a few bad results shouldn't see him shown the door.

 

Yes he clearly needs to change things - and he acknowledged that tonight with the subs - but let's give the man his due.

 

Yeah incompetent players sure, these same players that just won the champions league, or player of the season and his 6th Prem title in a row, what a ridiculous thing to say. Southgate isn't even a championship manager. What has he ever won? What did he do at club level?

 

Since you both credit for things he doesn't deserve credit for at all lets refresh the memory.

 

England had a whole different era, crediting Southgate like he took over a struggling club and turned them around is crazy, he's consistently had the best group of players for the past four tournaments including one on home soil and failed every time largely due to him while the positive results are in spite of him.

 

So 2018 which England got to a world cup semi and apparently Southgate deserves great credit.

 

Group stage

 

Walkover vs Panama ranked 112th

Lucky 2-1 win over Tunisia

Lost 1-0 to Belgium

 

Round of 16 awful performance vs Colombia and England won on penalties after almost losing in extra time

Decent 2-0 quarters win vs Sweden in quarters

Lost to Croatia in the semis

 

Didn't play one top nation and lost twice and needed penalties once

 

2020 home nation best players expected to win

 

Scrapped a 1-0 against Croatia in the opening game

0-0 vs Scotland in an abysmal game

Scrapped a 1-0 against chezch in another underperformance

 

Knockout stage a good performance to beat Germany

Thrashed Ukraine 4-0 in QF

Then went to extra time vs Denmark and won thx to a sterling dive

Before taking the lead against Italy in the final then going defensive and throwing it away AT WEMBLEY with a much better team

 

So that is his best and only really successful tournament and he was instrumental in them throwing it away.

 

Last tournament lost to France and people just said unlucky but two even teams they just had a better coach

 

Southgate beat Germany but aside from that hasn't beat a single top nation in any of the tournaments.

 

He's had kind draws over and over with the best team and sometimes home advantage and never crossed the line. He is in incompetent and not a winner. To defend him as competent over 100+ mill players with dozens of trophies and various individual awards is comical and shows zero ball knowledge. Thankfully everybody everywhere else sees the same thing because otherwise I'd be going crazy reading this madness. I think you might be the last Gareth Southgate fan remaining, congrats

 

Just another really disappointing 2nd group game for England.

 

I hope we just try something different tactically against Slovenia. It's clear that what were going with isn't working.

He's had kind draws over and over with the best team and sometimes home advantage and never crossed the line. He is in incompetent and not a winner. To defend him as competent over 100+ mill players with dozens of trophies and various individual awards is comical and shows zero ball knowledge. Thankfully everybody everywhere else sees the same thing because otherwise I'd be going crazy reading this madness. I think you might be the last Gareth Southgate fan remaining, congrats

 

Teams don't get to finals and semi-finals if they aren't good - regardless of their historic size they were the top teams at those tournaments that knocked us out - as said before either winning the tournament or getting to the final in all 3 cases. We went out to Iceland in 2016 for goodness sake, it's amazing how short peoples memories are. We've gone from worrying about whether we'd even qualify after 2014 and 2016 to going out in the quarter-final in 2022 being seen as a disappointment. That's thanks to Southgate's man management.

 

Club level performances are irrelevant on an international stage. As this afternoons game proved. Loads of great club players turning in poor performances at national level. Either being to selfish (Foden) or too lazy (midfielders not getting forward).

 

It's a draw that would have been a win if it wasn't for a wonder strike off the Dane - you're running away with yourself.

 

If we lose the next game and don't make the knockouts then maybe there's a case to dismiss him - but he'd still go down as an incredibly successful manager in my book.

 

Southgate has given us some of the greatest evenings in England football history and people still won't give him credit for it. England fans are pathetic when it comes to stuff like this and I'm not taking part in the short-term memory, media-led campaign against him after one bad tournament result. Why our so many fans not content unless we lift the trophy? That's an insane bar to set. Finals and semi-finals for a team that didn't qualify for a 2008 Euros and got knocked out in the group stage at the 2014 World Cup and got knocked out by Iceland at the 2016 Euros is some result and turnaround.

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But you said above they are poorly coached. International managers don’t get time to coach much at all.

 

You weren’t lucky in 2018, but disrespectful to say that about the players who made their first wcup semi in nearly 30 years. Then England went one better in the next tournament and got to the final so it was no fluke and he must do something right.

 

In this game Denmark who are a top Int side pressed much better simple as that.

 

Precisely! Other international teams can cohesively put a press together that works with triggers, but we can't. We regularly score a goal and then decide to play compact, which means we try and play on the counter, except we're not dangerous on the counter.

 

We were incredibly lucky in 2018, we got an easy draw. We've never beaten a top team under Southgate in a major tournament expect Germany.

 

Teams don't get to finals and semi-finals if they aren't good - regardless of their historic size they were the top teams at those tournaments that knocked us out - as said before either winning the tournament or getting to the final in all 3 cases. We went out to Iceland in 2016 for goodness sake, it's amazing how short peoples memories are. We've gone from worrying about whether we'd even qualify after 2014 and 2016 to going out in the quarter-final in 2022 being seen as a disappointment. That's thanks to Southgate's man management.

 

Club level performances are irrelevant on an international stage. As this afternoons game proved. Loads of great club players turning in poor performances at national level. Either being to selfish (Foden) or too lazy (midfielders not getting forward).

 

It's a draw that would have been a win if it wasn't for a wonder strike off the Dane - you're running away with yourself.

 

If we lose the next game and don't make the knockouts then maybe there's a case to dismiss him - but he'd still go down as an incredibly successful manager in my book.

 

Southgate has given us some of the greatest evenings in England football history and people still won't give him credit for it. England fans are pathetic when it comes to stuff like this and I'm not taking part in the short-term memory, media-led campaign against him after one bad tournament result. Why our so many fans not content unless we lift the trophy? That's an insane bar to set. Finals and semi-finals for a team that didn't qualify for a 2008 Euros and got knocked out in the group stage at the 2014 World Cup and got knocked out by Iceland at the 2016 Euros is some result and turnaround.

 

Southgate will go down as giving England fans some great moments, but come on. We've got the most gifted squad we've had for nearly 20 years and we play like we're an underdog. We're the a good team, we need to play agressive and on the front foot. As much as he's given us great moments there's also a distinct pattern of Southgate play, where we're timid, go in to our shells and end up losing. The problem is everyone's seen this story a few times now and we're all bored of it. Too negative, too compact, no width and not even a half decent press. This is all on the manager.

 

Just shows you that England were poor with Trent, but even worse when he came off. We could have a front three of Messi, Mbappe and Haaland and still stink the place out.

Your attitude sums up the English mentality - we have all the best players because we have the premier league, again this isn’t the premier league, far from it. Int football is a lot more nuanced than the free flowing football league and good for it.

 

You do realise yous thought you’d had the best players in every tournament including 2014 and 2016!

Your attitude sums up the English mentality - we have all the best players because we have the premier league, again this isn’t the premier league, far from it. Int football is a lot more nuanced than the free flowing football league and good for it.

 

You do realise yous thought you’d had the best players in every tournament including 2014 and 2016!

 

We have some of the best players (for what it's worth, I think France have a far great level of depth and I've never once suggested England would win the Euros..). I know all about international football, it's completely different to the Premier League, I've never said it isn't :lol: The issue is football moves on, international football in 2024 is not played the same as it was in 2018. We've not moved on, except a change of shape and we look far weaker at set pieces. Our starting players today mostly play some form of high press tactically fluid football, yet we try to capture the spirit of Greece 2004. Just makes no sense. It's clueless from Southgate and his post match comments basically say as much.

 

Nope I've never thought that in 2012, 2014 or 2016. Those teams had obvious weaknesses and of course, the biggest weakness of all.. Hodgson!

2014 everyone said we had a weak team hence why no one was surprised when we went out in the group.

2014 everyone said we had a weak team hence why no one was surprised when we went out in the group.

 

Even in 2016, you could see an Iceland style result happening as well. We scraped through the group. Hodgson picked Wilshere with one leg, Rooney in midfield and we had Kane on corners. Who can forget those good old days!

We have some of the best players (for what it's worth, I think France have a far great level of depth and I've never once suggested England would win the Euros..). I know all about international football, it's completely different to the Premier League, I've never said it isn't :lol: The issue is football moves on, international football in 2024 is not played the same as it was in 2018. We've not moved on, except a change of shape and we look far weaker at set pieces. Our starting players today mostly play some form of high press tactically fluid football, yet we try to capture the spirit of Greece 2004. Just makes no sense. It's clueless from Southgate and his post match comments basically say as much.

 

Nope I've never thought that in 2012, 2014 or 2016. Those teams had obvious weaknesses and of course, the biggest weakness of all.. Hodgson!

 

:lol: Oh coke on England fans always think they have the best players, there maybe was obvious flaws in some tournaments like 2016 but throughout the 2000 and the 90s it wasn’t the case according to the media.

 

Everyone thinks they could be England manager especially during these tournaments but even the pundits couldn’t name their midfield for England :lol:

 

:lol: Oh coke on England fans always think they have the best players, there maybe was obvious flaws in some tournaments like 2016 but throughout the 2000 and the 90s it wasn’t the case according to the media.

 

Everyone thinks they could be England manager especially during these tournaments but even the pundits couldn’t name their midfield for England :lol:

 

Yeah again but really different times. Can't remember the 90s or even the early 00s build up, but that team we had in the early 00s was really good on paper. Not sure it was as good as some of the other big teams about. That team we had in 2006 really should have done better, but these things happen, at least we went down with a fight.

 

We actually have a really good team now, especially in attack. Yet Southgate has us set up to be turgid, just doesn't make any sense. We can point to doing well in recent tournaments, but ultimately the same pattern happens in every game which is purely tactical from Southgate.

why on earth aren’t we playing Palmer? if there was one player who could have changed the game coming on at half time, it’d surely have been him