July 25, 2024Jul 25 I wish they'd focus more on making sure there's more jobs available over making sure that people are working regardless of their health. Edited July 25, 2024Jul 25 by Hassaan
July 25, 2024Jul 25 The Starmerite NEC tried to deselect many of them so not sure why you think they’d have any loyalty to the leader of the Labour Party! They basically voted against what Labour’s manifesto was. The two child poverty cap wasnt in the Kings Speech and half of these MPs could have pushed to abolish it when in prominent shadow cabinet positions under Corbyn! Just screams the majority of them were really too scared to run as independents and knew they’d lose the whip. At least Starmer is installing some party discipline early doors.
July 25, 2024Jul 25 They basically voted against what Labour’s manifesto was. The two child poverty cap wasnt in the Kings Speech and half of these MPs could have pushed to abolish it when in prominent shadow cabinet positions under Corbyn! Just screams the majority of them were really too scared to run as independents and knew they’d lose the whip. At least Starmer is installing some party discipline early doors. Seems so ridiculous to me. Not everyone contributes or agrees with every part of a manifesto. ‘Party discipline’ yet people judge you on your voting record. So people have to vote against what they believe because? What a silly outdated concept. In this context it makes no difference and means nothing also. I’ll be damned if I’m voting for or against anything I don’t want to. As far as I would be concerned I was elected by people to do the right thing not follow some party orders. Might as well just have one leader and a bunch of robots in that case.  Sure certain circumstances are different if a vote is close and you can negotiate your position to get a bill through if later there was an agreement to look into changing it etc. but that clearly didn’t happen here. This notion Starmer is ruthless is such a weird concept, he doesn’t have that aura. You have a majority of a zillion who cares if there are a few rebels on votes, bizarre to make such a big deal out of it. I wouldn’t appreciate anyone acting like that even if I agreed with them
July 25, 2024Jul 25 Author Also, despite what commentators might have you believe, you don't need to withdraw the whip from anyone who votes against you unless they're in the government. Otherwise what's the point of backbenchers? Even on a King's Speech, though specifically a King's Speech that had 0 chance of failing.
July 25, 2024Jul 25 They basically voted against what Labour’s manifesto was. The two child poverty cap wasnt in the Kings Speech and half of these MPs could have pushed to abolish it when in prominent shadow cabinet positions under Corbyn! Just screams the majority of them were really too scared to run as independents and knew they’d lose the whip. At least Starmer is installing some party discipline early doors.  So this time the left are wrong because ‘they didn’t put it in the kings speech’ or their manifesto’. Reality is they will always be wrong because you don’t agree with them full stop. A manifesto isn’t worth the paper it’s written on as it’s wrote in the context of an election when things are different when in government.  If a Labour government isn’t there to do something like this what’s the point of it, may as well just have a national government!
July 25, 2024Jul 25 I feel the best move was to let the MPs vote how they did to show that there is an appetite in government to remove it and for Keir to mention it's something that they will look closely at in the next couple years to see if they can finacially remove it to give people hope - then remove it sooner than expected to the delight of a lot of people (Perhaps in March 2025 budget). Â Â
July 25, 2024Jul 25 Seems so ridiculous to me. Not everyone contributes or agrees with every part of a manifesto. ‘Party discipline’ yet people judge you on your voting record. So people have to vote against what they believe because? What a silly outdated concept. In this context it makes no difference and means nothing also. I’ll be damned if I’m voting for or against anything I don’t want to. As far as I would be concerned I was elected by people to do the right thing not follow some party orders. Might as well just have one leader and a bunch of robots in that case.  Sure certain circumstances are different if a vote is close and you can negotiate your position to get a bill through if later there was an agreement to look into changing it etc. but that clearly didn’t happen here. This notion Starmer is ruthless is such a weird concept, he doesn’t have that aura. You have a majority of a zillion who cares if there are a few rebels on votes, bizarre to make such a big deal out of it. I wouldn’t appreciate anyone acting like that even if I agreed with them  Also, despite what commentators might have you believe, you don't need to withdraw the whip from anyone who votes against you unless they're in the government. Otherwise what's the point of backbenchers? Even on a King's Speech, though specifically a King's Speech that had 0 chance of failing.  So this time the left are wrong because ‘they didn’t put it in the kings speech’ or their manifesto’. Reality is they will always be wrong because you don’t agree with them full stop. A manifesto isn’t worth the paper it’s written on as it’s wrote in the context of an election when things are different when in government.  If a Labour government isn’t there to do something like this what’s the point of it, may as well just have a national government! Labout have already come out and said they are reviewing the policy. Doesn't sound like there is any money available and lots of people assume just handing parents more money solves the problem. There's probably more things that can be done, such as increasing free breakfast & lunches at schools or releasing more funds to schools within term times, that will make a difference and ensure children are fed. Again, doesn't solve the problem, but there's stuff that can be done here to link back to the NHS and educating children on healthier choices too. It was not in the Party manifesto and nor was the vote an actual vote on the policy itself! It was purely a political trap the SNP set, which rightly or wrongly certain members blinked two weeks in a new government. It was a three line party whip, so if anyone under the Labour banner ignores that then they deserve to lose the whip. There's 5 years to make changes and reduce child poverty. Backbenchers can challenge the Party and influence from within, fat lot of good when they're all sat as independents now and probably unlikely they'll be let back in.
July 26, 2024Jul 26 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/p...starmer-cartoon Think the Guardian sum it up well today!
July 29, 2024Jul 29 Interesting one today! The 22% for junior doctors looks a great deal. Must say I’m liking the idea of pay the people and scrap the projects. That being said, looks like some tough cuts are coming. Don’t believe for a second this is a return to austerity (otherwise we wouldn’t be having substantial public sector pay increases) but going to be hard for Labour to navigate this. Does look at this point the 2nd NI cut the Tories put through was a political ploy to bait Labour to increase it again.
July 29, 2024Jul 29 Great news about the pay increase for Junior doctors. Hopefully that will prevent any future strikes. A number of other public sector workers earmarked for above-inflation pay as well including Teachers.  However dire news about the £22 billion of uncosted money the previous government hadn't been honest/open about. It feels like the conservatives did this on purpose along with the NI cut to tie Labour's hand.  The winter fuel cut for pensioners will be unpopular. Although I agree that wealthy pensioners shouldn't get the payment but it'll likely be those struggling that will be worse off. Various projects being marked to be delayed or scrapped. Social care reform also being scrapped. It's just sad to see honestly. I do hope things will get better in the coming couple years to improve people's lives. :( I do hope Labour engage with Lib Dems and Greens to introduce the likes of a wealth tax.  VAT for private schools comes in at 20% in January which will hopefully help raise some money. Edited July 29, 2024Jul 29 by Envoirment
July 29, 2024Jul 29 This is what they should have done and I'm so glad they did it. Full on press conference, bringing up the fact the Tories mismanaged the money and there's no money left, really driving home the state of the country under the Tories.
July 30, 2024Jul 30 How do you know Reeves is telling the truth though? How do we know anyone is telling the truth? How do we know you present your true self on this board? Feels like such a redundant question at this point.
July 30, 2024Jul 30 How do you know Reeves is telling the truth though? The OBR statement, saying they only knew about the shortfall last week, suggests that she is telling the truth. If the Tories have evidence to the contrary, let them publish it.
July 30, 2024Jul 30 How do you know Reeves is telling the truth though? I'd say she's probably being more truthful, but still not completely.
July 30, 2024Jul 30 The OBR statement, saying they only knew about the shortfall last week, suggests that she is telling the truth. If the Tories have evidence to the contrary, let them publish it. Repeating this again for the cheap seats at the back!! The OBR is notoriously reticent to get involved in politics. It always tries to be neutral. The fact it has come out with this and is investigating the Tories is damning.Â
July 30, 2024Jul 30 How do we know anyone is telling the truth? How do we know you present your true self on this board? Feels like such a redundant question at this point. True I guess :lol:
August 2, 2024Aug 2 Apparently there are a lor of far right rallies planned this weekend.t They really have been emboldened by Farage and ir's been thst way since Brexshit
August 2, 2024Aug 2 Apparently there are a lor of far right rallies planned this weekend.t They really have been emboldened by Farage and ir's been thst way since Brexshit Farage has made some very provocative remarks this week (not that he has avoided being provocative in any other week). I hope many of the people who voted for him finally realise what a vile excuse for a human being he is.
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