The amount of people claiming disability benefit for metal health reasons is miniscule, it's nigh on impossible to access it for those reasons. Physical disabilities are the ones that are awarded assistance as it is harder to turn those claimants down... yet they still turn tons of them down too.

I was wondering how Starmer would respond and I give him credit he’s gone all in. Personally I can’t see these MP’s backing down so it’s an odd one to be so bold on

The number has gone up

Tough situation for Starmer. Will all 127 lose the whip? Or does that only happen when it’s a small number 🤷‍♂️

Edited Tuesday at 15:004 days by Liam Sota

3 hours ago, Spiceboy said:

The amount of people claiming disability benefit for metal health reasons is miniscule, it's nigh on impossible to access it for those reasons. Physical disabilities are the ones that are awarded assistance as it is harder to turn those claimants down... yet they still turn tons of them down too.

That’s not necessarily what I see from my own job, most previous ESA recip are also on standard rate Pip for living. But again without the specific figure it’s hard to see the full picture.

What we do know is the huge increase since 2019 which the reasons have been mentioned previously.

I’d agree with the government that it should be helping people into work if they can and support the people who do need support so the lack of reassessment is a good part of the legislation too so less stress for many people.

Due to the rebellion Tory votes would be needed for it to pass. While it’s something you think they’d support Kemi is deciding to add a lot of strings which Starmer could never agree to. So becoming a big mess for him.

Edited Tuesday at 17:284 days by Liam Sota

Most tories will support it no matter what Kemi says I’d imagine.

The one issue I have with this is the lack of report on the proposed effects which normally happens and Starmer is refusing. That’s Kemi second point above.

Encouraged to see such a rebellion, this is like the WFA but more concentrated and far more meaningful for the people it affects. If it passes it will radicalise the people it does affect against Labour and saves far less than could be raised with taxes on those who could afford to pay.

Insanely bad leadership from Starmer to have come up with a welfare cut so cruel that it generated such a big rebellion such that even with his huge majority, he's facing a defeat on one of his government's most talked about policies.

I hope it's defeated or the vote withdrawn and they come up with a far more humane and popular way to get people back into work. A Labour government shouldn't lead with the stick and it should be inspiring people. 'Break down the barriers to opportunity' was a great part of the election manifesto, don't recall seeing 'leave vulnerable adults without their income' in there.

This does feel like yet another way casual cryelty is beinf embedded in our society where once upon a time geherally instutitions were there to serve a positive oyrpose as their prinary function.

I woukd include the push to return back to offices despite zero identified bebefit and a significant number of idehtifued befatives across cost, wellbeing, environment etc.

Sidenote: site beinf slow for anyone else on mobilem?,? its titally throwing off my typing

Seems Labour are losing the plot over this issue. Talk of calling an election and getting a new leader

Edited Tuesday at 19:274 days by Liam Sota

Calling an election would be a ridiculous move.

3 hours ago, Steve201 said:

Most tories will support it no matter what Kemi says I’d imagine.

The one issue I have with this is the lack of report on the proposed effects which normally happens and Starmer is refusing. That’s Kemi second point above.

The Tories aren't exactly well-placed to complain about this. They didn't publish an impact assessment on leaving the EU.

I guess that wasn’t a piece of legislation it was a vote to change a constitutional relationship.

BBC News

PM confirms talks with rebels over welfare concessions

The prime minister said talks would continue in the "coming days" with Labour MPs who oppose the plans.

Interesting. Not certain that the bill will end up good or acceptable yet but this is encouraging, that Labour backbenchers have a more moral bent than the leadership and have the ability to strongarm them when they make the wrong decision.

Not sure how that will go down among those were originally unhappy. But apparently won over a substantial number of rebels

Glad I come off ESA In Jan when I reach 66 and switch to the old age pension. No more stupid assessments. Haven't had one since late 2019 because of Covid. Watch them send for me in the next 6 months.🙄

Edited Friday at 19:011 day by CRAZY CHRIS

39 minutes ago, CRAZY CHRIS said:

Glad I come off ESA In Jan when I reach 66 and switch to the old age pension. No more stupid assessments.

What do you think about what they’re doing right now?

Btw Keir took back his own speech about Island of strangers stating neither he nor his speechwriters knew it was echoing Enoch Powell 🤷‍♂️

Apparently his close advisors aren’t about him doing so

So from what I read today Labour are basically introducing a two tier welfare system.

If you were on PIP or the other stuff and have a reassessment in 3 years you’ll get reassessed on the old criteria. Whereas if you’re new you get assessed on the new criteria.

So someone with an identical condition could be getting half what another person is getting or nothing at all.

I don’t even see how that’s legally acceptable. I’m sure it’ll pass but with a lot of problems, badwill and disputes ahead. Plus there are still at least 50 Labour MPs saying they’ll vote against it.

It's totally two tier. What even is this government?!

There’s always a two tier benefits system when things are changed!