Horrid. Don't see why they just don't just increase NI back to where it was before the Tories cut it before the election. That would raise enough money that they don't need to implement such harsh cuts.

Easiest thing for them to do would be to re-join the single market. Massive boost to economy would result and basically forgo the need for all these cuts and would drive growth. But they don't have the courage to do something like that (no courage at all given they are targeting some of the most vulnerable people in society).

An election won't happen - but a leadership challenge could occur at some point.

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On 29/06/2025 at 23:09, Envoirment said:

Horrid. Don't see why they just don't just increase NI back to where it was before the Tories cut it before the election. That would raise enough money that they don't need to implement such harsh cuts.

Easiest thing for them to do would be to re-join the single market. Massive boost to economy would result and basically forgo the need for all these cuts and would drive growth. But they don't have the courage to do something like that (no courage at all given they are targeting some of the most vulnerable people in society).

An election won't happen - but a leadership challenge could occur at some point.

They won't do it because it would affect them if they did and they are too selfish. They would rather target disabled people and are basically driving their focus towards them, just like Reform do to immigrants, never thought I'd be in danger of leaving Labour but I'm having serious second thoughts about voting them in the next election. Lib Dems for me I think.

13 hours ago, Spiceboy said:

They won't do it because it would affect them if they did and they are too selfish. They would rather target disabled people and are basically driving their focus towards them, just like Reform do to immigrants, never thought I'd be in danger of leaving Labour but I'm having serious second thoughts about voting them in the next election. Lib Dems for me I think.

Panorma did a great programme on this a few weeks ago. Was all really basic stuff, but it just proves what huge mess we are in. Debt is on the increase and the cost of state funded income is increasing as well. Labour have done a lot of good things actually.

I don't think Labour are targeting people individually- the problem we have is we're at a loggerheads.. everyone wants more state funding but nobody wants to pay for it. Look at the power of the Pensioners. The reality is even though tax rises are likely needed, they are political suicide, especially in this current climate. So there's not really any easy answer really. This is an issue any goverment is going to face in to and like you say, even if Reform promise the world, the Markets will tank them if they come up with a magic money tree.

I think the issue at the moment is Reeves is obviously structured and has red lines and no pragmatism. It's not an easy job, but clearly we are a bit up the shit creek.

14 hours ago, Spiceboy said:

They won't do it because it would affect them if they did and they are too selfish. They would rather target disabled people and are basically driving their focus towards them, just like Reform do to immigrants, never thought I'd be in danger of leaving Labour but I'm having serious second thoughts about voting them in the next election. Lib Dems for me I think.

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On 29/06/2025 at 21:51, Liam Sota said:

Boris had the Brexit buses and now Starmer has the immigration control buses

He could always do something about it by um actually DOING SOMETHING!! Rejoin the single market, as leave promised no one was talking about that anyway, and it was a split decision... , and watch the Boris Bounce on immigration collapse anyway.

15 hours ago, Rooney said:

Panorma did a great programme on this a few weeks ago. Was all really basic stuff, but it just proves what huge mess we are in. Debt is on the increase and the cost of state funded income is increasing as well. Labour have done a lot of good things actually.

I don't think Labour are targeting people individually- the problem we have is we're at a loggerheads.. everyone wants more state funding but nobody wants to pay for it. Look at the power of the Pensioners. The reality is even though tax rises are likely needed, they are political suicide, especially in this current climate. So there's not really any easy answer really. This is an issue any goverment is going to face in to and like you say, even if Reform promise the world, the Markets will tank them if they come up with a magic money tree.

I think the issue at the moment is Reeves is obviously structured and has red lines and no pragmatism. It's not an easy job, but clearly we are a bit up the shit creek.

So target the rich, force companies like Amazon to pay proper tax, don't allow arseholes like Richard Branson to keep their money if offshore accounts, get rid of tax loopholes. If they increased the tax of the richest people in the county by a miniscule amount, it would make a world of difference and really not affect those being taxed at all... But they don't have the balls to do what is right so instead the target those that have the least amount of power.

Wow the chancellor started crying at PMQs today when Badenoch was stating that the PM doesn’t have the strength to sack her.

This is truly pathetic from Starmer. They should really get rid of him

An unpopular government dealing with a rebellion that tried to stop you implementing an unpopular policy by suspending people involved in the rebellion - that's going to go well, surely. Trouble with having such a big majority and a lot of MPs who are likely to be 1-termers, no consequences for them disagreeing with the government and actually it'll probably help their case as a local voice. One of those suspended MPs has a majority of 18 votes!

I'd get rid of Morgan McSweeney - his hatred of the Labour left seems far more deeply rooted than Starmer's and he is probably more responsible for the government's poor communication strategy and its dogged attempts at doing un-Labour, unpopular policies. He's not even a particularly gifted strategist.

He gave that authoritarian vibe this time last year too and it was very unnecessary. It should be healthy to have members who stand up for what they believe in. This one is just silly. On one hand you have Liz Kendall saying the welfare changes are better and stronger thanks to the rebels then they’re punishing the rebels. You can get away with a lot of bad moves but Starmer is making too many and has made it clear he wants conformity at the alter of no principles and that’s surely not what you want in a leader

7 hours ago, Liam Sota said:

This is truly pathetic from Starmer. They should really get rid of him

Did you say anything similar when Johnson did the same thing against MPs who rebelled once?

12 minutes ago, Suedehead2 said:

Did you say anything similar when Johnson did the same thing against MPs who rebelled once?

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