May 12May 12 42 minutes ago, Liam Sota said:Well it wouldn’t be an offer in a deal if it was already happening would it? What’s with the obsession on giving everything away? Didn’t Gordon Brown give away all the gold I read. Happy to give away manufacturing and jobs, fish, what else? The whole country is for sale it seems.Whereas the Tories just gave away all the public utilities.
May 12May 12 1 hour ago, Liam Sota said:I believe this man might be the first PM to alienate every single voter in the countryMost British people don't want to eat the fish that are caught i9n British waters. If we could only fish in UK waters, we would have to import almost all the sea fish we eat. UK fishers were given licenses to fish in UK waters when the EU fisheries policy was introduced. Thatcher insisted that fishers should be able to buy and sell licenses. UK fishers chose to sell them in large numbers.
May 13May 13 On 12/05/2025 at 12:34, Iz 🌟 said:Big announcement of immigration crackdown today from the Labour government. Doing a lot to target net migration.Which is completely wrongheaded, no one wants them aping Reform's lines (except Reform who are loving it), the Never Happy crowd won't change their opinions, and there's the potential for a lot of unfortunate stories to come out of this.It's policies like doubling the amount of time it takes to get an ILR and discouraging applications for care workers that are going to hit the sorts of people we want coming to this country with insecurity (how can you fully integrate when you're spending a decade without security that your future is here?) and integrating (seven in ten of voters do not want reductions in migration for care workers!). If, IF this is accompanied with a good push to fix those industries by other means and it's visible enough to pull over swing voters who want to see some, any action on immigration it may have some good results, but I'm not sure those two requirements work together.Well, some spoilers on this.There's going to be a huge push in certain industries to encourage their staff to move into a career in care or else be laid off, in the next six months to a year.
May 13May 13 16 hours ago, Liam Sota said:Well it wouldn’t be an offer in a deal if it was already happening would it? What’s with the obsession on giving everything away? Didn’t Gordon Brown give away all the gold I read. Happy to give away manufacturing and jobs, fish, what else? The whole country is for sale it seems.Its an exchange, not a 'give away'. This is literally how trade works.You may or may not be aware that the fish that swim in British waters are broadly not fish that British people like to eat, so keeping 'British fish' for the British public and refusing to sell them to nations that do eat them, in exchange losing access to European plentiful haddock, salmon and tuna, seems like a bit of an own goal.
May 13May 13 2 hours ago, J00prstar said:Its an exchange, not a 'give away'. This is literally how trade works.You may or may not be aware that the fish that swim in British waters are broadly not fish that British people like to eat, so keeping 'British fish' for the British public and refusing to sell them to nations that do eat them, in exchange losing access to European plentiful haddock, salmon and tuna, seems like a bit of an own goal.British waters should not be open for anyone else. If Brits want to eat other fish then buy them. If Brits want to sell fish it has got then sell them. You don’t give away your territories. This is why this country has nothing left. Just horrible negotiators and mentalities. All that happens is they’ll set up some brain dead rules that they can only fish this and that much here which won’t be followed meanwhile other countries will be much stricter with British fishermen and Britain loses once again.
May 13May 13 2 minutes ago, Liam Sota said:British waters should not be open for anyone else. If Brits want to eat other fish then buy them. If Brits want to sell fish it has got then sell them. You don’t give away your territories. This is why this country has nothing left. Just horrible negotiators and mentalities. All that happens is they’ll set up some brain dead rules that they can only fish this and that much here which won’t be followed meanwhile other countries will be much stricter with British fishermen and Britain loses once again.You literally don't understand how trade works. This is just being confidently wrong.You go to a party and bring a crate of beers. Someone else has a crate of a different brand of beers. You each want to try one of each other's beers.According to your logic, swapping a beer each is some kind of grave error...
May 13May 13 3 minutes ago, J00prstar said:You literally don't understand how trade works. This is just being confidently wrong.You go to a party and bring a crate of beers. Someone else has a crate of a different brand of beers. You each want to try one of each other's beers.According to your logic, swapping a beer each is some kind of grave error...Uh huh. Except the EU is lots of countries and lots of people and the UK is one small Island. It’s an imbalanced trade entirely one which will be sold as balanced by talk of quotas and numbers which will never be able to be enforced or controlled. So Britain will be looted for little return. And trade means if you have something someone else wants it’s usually valuable for a reason. They want access for a reason. Are the pros in giving them access worth the cons? No. Not even close. My logic is that you don’t give up your assets, land, fish, territories, wealth, industries or you’ll have nothing left. Yours is that everything is fair game and really we’re winning because we will be getting some salmon. Let’s see what those associated with the industries involved and UK fishermen think about it. If I remember rightly they were a big reason Brexit was successful the few that were left anyway. Not that actually listening to people effected seems to be a thing that you’re interested in doing ever though.
May 14May 14 Will be very interesting to see who wins this battle. The MPs or Starmer and his team. Hopefully they learned from the winter fuel disaster but you can’t guarantee anything with MPs
May 19May 19 Author Post-Brexit EU deal achieved by the government. Full details yet to be published but this is about the size of it.Closer alignment on defenceBritain and EU aligning on food safety checks making it easier for British produce to be sold to EU (and reduce the paperwork that N Ireland now has to do just to import food from the rest of the UK)More energy interconnection between the EU and BritainStill negotiating on youth mobility but probably good news on that as well.Generally reducing unpopular Brexit frictions while improving economic outcomes.Basically it's a good start to help reverse our economic decline by taking up some of the trade opportunities on our doorstep again.So expect to see right-wing rags and Conservative and Reform politicians carping on about the sovereignty of fish for the foreseeable.
May 19May 19 Author Oh yeah and passport e-gates! More access to e-gates is a great little bonus for the dreaded airport queues.
May 19May 19 1 hour ago, Iz 🌟 said:Oh yeah and passport e-gates! More access to e-gates is a great little bonus for the dreaded airport queues.This is a DISGRACE I have been enjoying my smug privileged access to German eGates as a resident since Brexit because it saves me a good 30 minutes every time I come back to Berlin from the UK 😅🤣
May 19May 19 Loads of good stuff in the agreement which will be good economically for us and a couple of tangible wins for people as well with the e-gates. Crazy to think we could have had adults in the room years ago, actually using the freedoms of Brexit to negotiate something similar to this.
May 19May 19 4 hours ago, Iz 🌟 said:Oh yeah and passport e-gates! More access to e-gates is a great little bonus for the dreaded airport queues.Hardline Quitters will, off course, be free to join the longer queues to demonstrate their loyalty to their cause.
May 19May 19 5 minutes ago, Suedehead2 said:Hardline Quitters will, off course, be free to join the longer queues to demonstrate their loyalty to their cause.Funniest part is watching Brexiteer get upset about a deal that’s already been in place for years but seemingly didn’t upset them until a week ago. These people have no interest in doing what’s best for our country and live in a fantasy world where nothing is ever good enough.
May 19May 19 13 minutes ago, Rooney said:These people have no interest in doing what’s best for our country Well, that’s rich. Most of the EU flag type people are quite happy for the UK to turn into Luxembourg. Just an irrelevant member state with no agency or culture. Whereas most of the Brexit people are among the most patriotic you can find. A good negotiating team could have easily got most of this stuff without surrendering UK waters and betraying the UK fishing industry. If it’s that simple for UK to use the e-gates there was no reason to let the EU hold the UK over a barrel with it but when you’re trying to rush a bunch of deals to distract from your election drubbing maybe your standards on what you’ll accept drop. I’m just hoping the Labour Party look long and hard around the UK and find something else valuable so that Keir Starmer has something else to give away to the next country lucky enough to deal with these amateurs.
May 19May 19 8 minutes ago, Liam Sota said:Well, that’s rich. Most of the EU flag type people are quite happy for the UK to turn into Luxembourg. Just an irrelevant member state with no agency or culture. Whereas most of the Brexit people are among the most patriotic you can find.A good negotiating team could have easily got most of this stuff without surrendering UK waters and betraying the UK fishing industry. If it’s that simple for UK to use the e-gates there was no reason to let the EU hold the UK over a barrel with it but when you’re trying to rush a bunch of deals to distract from your election drubbing maybe your standards on what you’ll accept drop. I’m just hoping the Labour Party look long and hard around the UK and find something else valuable so that Keir Starmer has something else to give away to the next country lucky enough to deal with these amateurs.🎣Most patriotic people we can find, yet willing to subject consumers to needless price increases and break the Good Friday agreement in Northern Ireland. What patriotic people we have, will throw their toys out the pram but offer no pragmatic solutions to problems.This deal was on the table for ages, yet no Brexiteer has been able to get it. By all accounts the Tories tried to get the passport gates and failed.
May 19May 19 Author On 13/05/2025 at 13:21, J00prstar said:Its an exchange, not a 'give away'. This is literally how trade works.You may or may not be aware that the fish that swim in British waters are broadly not fish that British people like to eat, so keeping 'British fish' for the British public and refusing to sell them to nations that do eat them, in exchange losing access to European plentiful haddock, salmon and tuna, seems like a bit of an own goal.Just gonna quote what J00p rightly said about the fish last week and also add that the deal is literally the current status quo. If the main concession for this objectively good deal was the status quo continues in an insignificant industry, I'll take it. 🐟Never Fucking Happy.
May 19May 19 36 minutes ago, Liam Sota said:Well, that’s rich. Most of the EU flag type people are quite happy for the UK to turn into Luxembourg. Just an irrelevant member state with no agency or culture. Whereas most of the Brexit people are among the most patriotic you can find.A good negotiating team could have easily got most of this stuff without surrendering UK waters and betraying the UK fishing industry. If it’s that simple for UK to use the e-gates there was no reason to let the EU hold the UK over a barrel with it but when you’re trying to rush a bunch of deals to distract from your election drubbing maybe your standards on what you’ll accept drop. I’m just hoping the Labour Party look long and hard around the UK and find something else valuable so that Keir Starmer has something else to give away to the next country lucky enough to deal with these amateurs.Who do you actually support, given the Tory party was singlehandedly in charge of this for the last decade and f***ed every conceivable element of it up?
May 19May 19 25 minutes ago, Rooney said:🎣Most patriotic people we can find, yet willing to subject consumers to needless price increases and break the Good Friday agreement in Northern Ireland. What patriotic people we have, will throw their toys out the pram but offer no pragmatic solutions to problems.Having a temper tantrum and refusing to offer anything remotely practical or workable seems to be the M.O. of their supporters as well.I can't imagine being so angry all the time and simultaneously being so ineffective. I'd be embarrassed to show my face.
May 19May 19 16 minutes ago, J00prstar said:Having a temper tantrum and refusing to offer anything remotely practical or workable seems to be the M.O. of their supporters as well.I can't imagine being so angry all the time and simultaneously being so ineffective. I'd be embarrassed to show my face.That’s their MO. Complain about everything, nothing is ever good enough yadda, yadda, yadda. Brexit has been nothing short of a disaster cos those who thought of it has no practical solution for making it work. All the polling shows people think Brexit is a disaster and stuff like this just shows up people like Farage. At this point the EU could give everyone free £100 and people would complain cos it was an electronic transfer rather than cold cash.
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