Khaled is harmless but has said and done questionable things as well. He isn't perfect "nice guy". The things he does gets overlooked because there's a clear (perhaps conscious or unconscious) bias because he's a young, attractive straight male.

 

Of course everyone has their faults and Ali can be overdramatic or blunt at times but it feels like whatever Ali does it's magnified and exaggerated in here. Makes you wonder why? Having a negative opinion on someone doesn't mean they're vilifying, picking on or isolating someone. A smear campaign? LOL. Talk about vocabulary gymnastics!

Khaled's done this, Khaled's done that. There's so much talk about him being questionable, disingenuous, but I'm yet to see a blind Ali fan comment specifics on what he has actually done that makes him such a bad person?

 

Ali fans really need a mirror held up to them, because for all the outrageous talk about people targeting Ali for being queer or an opinionated woman, it's clear to see there's a target on Khaled for simply being a handsome, nice, unproblematic man.

Khaled is harmless but has said and done questionable things as well. He isn't perfect "nice guy". The things he does gets overlooked because there's a clear (perhaps conscious or unconscious) bias because he's a young, attractive straight male.

 

Of course everyone has their faults and Ali can be overdramatic or blunt at times but it feels like whatever Ali does it's magnified and exaggerated in here. Makes you wonder why? Having a negative opinion on someone doesn't mean they're vilifying, picking on or isolating someone. A smear campaign? LOL. Talk about vocabulary gymnastics!

 

And in the same breath having a negative opinion against Ali also doesnt mean your anti-woman, anti-lesbian or pro misogynists either.

 

Check my previous posts theres plenty including during lastnyts debate where I was in agreement with her.

Khaled's done this, Khaled's done that. There's so much talk about him being questionable, disingenuous, but I'm yet to see a blind Ali fan comment specifics on what he has actually done that makes him such a bad person?

 

Ali fans really need a mirror held up to them, because for all the outrageous talk about people targeting Ali for being queer or an opinionated woman, it's clear to see there's a target on Khaled for simply being a handsome, nice, unproblematic man.

It's this kind of attitude that exactly proves my point. Didn't Khaled call a black woman aggressive? Tried to manipulate Izaaz to take sides against Ali? Lied to Izaaz's face. Bitched about Ali to the lads and called her disingenuous and calculated but only what Ali's said matters?

 

If several other housemates noticed Khaled being fake there must be some truth to her observations. I don't think she's vilified, bullied or picked on anyone. All the housemates constantly share negative opinions about each other but if Ali does it's "she's found a new target!!"

Are we really talking about Khaled bitching behind Ali's back when she spent over a week bitching about Khaled behind HIS back before only finally saying something to him when she got caught out.

 

She is a hypocrite.

 

This need to blindly support her is strange to say the least.

 

Calum, I couldn't agree more with you.

 

Also, if she didn't want to talk about certain topics that would affect her career why the hell did she go on Big Brother? what did she expect? :lol:

 

She says all this about Khaled, when izaaz seems to fit the bill. One moment mr nice and then wanting to ‘shit stir’.

 

Khaled has every right to defend himself when Ali relentlessly targets him and spews hatred about him to the majority of the house to manipulate them into disliking him too. So disappointed in Ali, her behaviour makes it uncomfortable to watch.

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Are we really talking about Khaled bitching behind Ali's back when she spent over a week bitching about Khaled behind HIS back before only finally saying something to him when she got caught out.

 

She is a hypocrite.

 

This need to blindly support her is strange to say the least.

 

Calum, I couldn't agree more with you.

 

Also, if she didn't want to talk about certain topics that would affect her career why the hell did she go on Big Brother? what did she expect? :lol:

 

She says all this about Khaled, when izaaz seems to fit the bill. One moment mr nice and then wanting to ‘shit stir’.

 

Khaled has every right to defend himself when Ali relentlessly targets him and spews hatred about him to the majority of the house to manipulate them into disliking him too. So disappointed in Ali.

Uhm I was literally asked to give an example as to why Khaled may be nothing other than a "nice guy". Yours and Calum's blind support of him and that misogynist is much more stranger.

I think it's easy to throw the word 'misogynist' just because he's a man and you have no leg to stand on. He's been nothing but decent to her, despite her not deserving it for basically targeting him and making him feel isolated from the group.

 

Also, the exaggerations that we only moan when Ali gives an opinion. Have you not seen all that we have said about Nathan? Marcello? Thomas?

 

But yes, she is 1000% targeting and singling out Khaled and it is uncomfortable to watch and I am not surprised other people think she is quite nasty.

Yours and Calum's blind support of him and that misogynist is much more stranger.

Comments like this really are dangerously verging on trying to paint a picture of people's character and personality to strengthen your argument in favour of someone who has (quite rightly) come under heat over the last couple of weeks. The last thing we need to be seeing is people bringing the tone down to an insulting, personal level that is not at all an accurate reflection of how either person feels. Whether posts have been articulated properly or not, accusing people of supporting or wilfully ignoring blatant misogyny because said person happens to be involved in a disagreement with somebody that has fuelled such strong reactions and emotions is getting out of control.

 

Not once have myself or Slayer made any posts alluding to agreeing with the way Marcello has acted around women. Some of the things he's said over the past couple of weeks (particularly in the first week where he was a lot louder) were disgusting. What we are allowed to do though - without being accused of being raging misogynist-apologists - is agree with his point of view at one moment in time when he's become involved in a situation with Ali where many also believe she is in the wrong. That doesn't simply water down or detract from anything he's said in the past, because that still stands and his character is undoubtedly questionable because of that. It's called being objective; being able to take a step back, look at things properly and realise 'oh wait, Ali actually isn't conducting herself well here, Marcello has a valid point'. So please don't say I - or Slayer, for that matter - am blindly supporting anybody just because I haven't posted 347 times condemning his previous actions.

 

As for Khaled, he had an open and honest discussion with Hanah about what he said to her in that moment and how it could have been perceived. They managed to resolve things and from what we can see it appears they have a genuine connection now and have moved past it. What hasn't happened, however, is 1) Ali moving past it and instead choosing to weaponise it in her constant belittling and vilification, and 2) Ali's fans moving past it, choosing to ignore that it was a moment of misunderstanding and learning for Khaled. Nobody supporting Khaled has sat here and said he was in the right for what he said to Hanah. On the other points presented about what Khaled has done to show himself as supposedly disingenuous, those are reaches. Khaled didn't try to corner Izaaz into choosing to side with him and not Ali, he simply wanted Izaaz to form an opinion and not just sit on the fence and try to be the perfect, neutral person. And of course Khaled isn't allowed to have a discussion with those he's close to in the house about somebody who's had a problem with him and made his entire time in there so far uncomfortable because that's just monstrous, isn't it?

 

I'll take being a fan of Khaled's when he has been largely unproblematic and has tried to resolve disagreements (successfully for the most part when he hasn't had to deal with Ali throwing tantrums), has taken everything in his stride, has had a rough couple of weeks because people decided that as soon as Ali took issue with him they would too and blindly support her no matter what, and seems like he just wants to have a good time and enjoy the experience with all that aside, as opposed to being a fan of someone so cold, divisive, manipulative and nasty.

 

It's really quite unbelievable that someone who has caused so much division in the house with her manipulation, psychoanalysis, calculated moves, playing to the cameras, cries out for sympathy when things haven't gone how she wanted them to, cold-heartedness, has managed to encourage all of that outside the house too, in this thread, on social media, etc.

I’m glad this is the case think it would have been a bit unfair for someone to leave due to be paired with someone unpopular which would be the case for a few pairings .

 

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I was wondering if that would happen - as most of the news stuff has just said about nominating in pairs and nothing about evicting in pairs.

 

So Lily will be safe even if she is nominated, given Ali will save her through save and replace (but I guess would've happened regardless of the pairs).

 

This weeks feels more heavily manipulated than normal - HOH aside, they had the power to pair them up and now swapping 2 people out for another 2 if necessary. They should've had at least one week of normal noms/ eviction. I actually thought the power of pairing them up would mean the whole Save and Replace/ Killer Nom wasn't happening this week and the power of the HOH changes each week.

 

Which means regardless of events and how others noms, Marcello and Khaled will no doubt face eviction regardless due to who's HOH.

 

This feels like Channel 5 era tampering and manipulation of things. Come Back BB15, all is forgiven (I jest off course)

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I’m glad this is the case think it would have been a bit unfair for someone to leave due to be paired with someone unpopular which would be the case for a few pairings .

 

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That’s good tbh, I would have liked Khalad to go to shake things up but I think when every twist starts influencing evictions too much I think it takes away from what good BB is at its core. As I’ve said it’s not always needed when the people and their relationships and interactions can speak for themselves!

I think when every twist starts influencing evictions too much I think it takes away from what good BB is at its core.

 

Literally this, I'm glad it's a vote to evict one person, was conscious 2 would leave at once and I have a weird hatred for 2 going at once.

Comments like this really are dangerously verging on trying to paint a picture of people's character and personality to strengthen your argument in favour of someone who has (quite rightly) come under heat over the last couple of weeks. The last thing we need to be seeing is people bringing the tone down to an insulting, personal level that is not at all an accurate reflection of how either person feels. Whether posts have been articulated properly or not, accusing people of supporting or wilfully ignoring blatant misogyny because said person happens to be involved in a disagreement with somebody that has fuelled such strong reactions and emotions is getting out of control.

 

Not once have myself or Slayer made any posts alluding to agreeing with the way Marcello has acted around women. Some of the things he's said over the past couple of weeks (particularly in the first week where he was a lot louder) were disgusting. What we are allowed to do though - without being accused of being raging misogynist-apologists - is agree with his point of view at one moment in time when he's become involved in a situation with Ali where many also believe she is in the wrong. That doesn't simply water down or detract from anything he's said in the past, because that still stands and his character is undoubtedly questionable because of that. It's called being objective; being able to take a step back, look at things properly and realise 'oh wait, Ali actually isn't conducting herself well here, Marcello has a valid point'. So please don't say I - or Slayer, for that matter - am blindly supporting anybody just because I haven't posted 347 times condemning his previous actions.

 

As for Khaled, he had an open and honest discussion with Hanah about what he said to her in that moment and how it could have been perceived. They managed to resolve things and from what we can see it appears they have a genuine connection now and have moved past it. What hasn't happened, however, is 1) Ali moving past it and instead choosing to weaponise it in her constant belittling and vilification, and 2) Ali's fans moving past it, choosing to ignore that it was a moment of misunderstanding and learning for Khaled. Nobody supporting Khaled has sat here and said he was in the right for what he said to Hanah. On the other points presented about what Khaled has done to show himself as supposedly disingenuous, those are reaches. Khaled didn't try to corner Izaaz into choosing to side with him and not Ali, he simply wanted Izaaz to form an opinion and not just sit on the fence and try to be the perfect, neutral person. And of course Khaled isn't allowed to have a discussion with those he's close to in the house about somebody who's had a problem with him and made his entire time in there so far uncomfortable because that's just monstrous, isn't it?

 

I'll take being a fan of Khaled's when he has been largely unproblematic and has tried to resolve disagreements (successfully for the most part when he hasn't had to deal with Ali throwing tantrums), has taken everything in his stride, has had a rough couple of weeks because people decided that as soon as Ali took issue with him they would too and blindly support her no matter what, and seems like he just wants to have a good time and enjoy the experience with all that aside, as opposed to being a fan of someone so cold, divisive, manipulative and nasty.

 

It's really quite unbelievable that someone who has caused so much division in the house with her manipulation, psychoanalysis, calculated moves, playing to the cameras, cries out for sympathy when things haven't gone how she wanted them to, cold-heartedness, has managed to encourage all of that outside the house too, in this thread, on social media, etc.

What I'm seeing here and online is extreme black and white thinking. People think they must pick sides, like everything their fave says or does, must express hate and vilifying narratives about someone their fave has fallen out with. A very juvenile view on how human relationships work and something that's for a long time stemmed from Twitter and stan culture. People unable to see any nuance.

 

Obviously I like Ali but at the same time I can admit she has flaws and can approach situations better. You and others for some reason feel Khaled is flawless, I wonder why

I don't even think it's that deep. Sure, they're clashing but neither have been outright rude and disrespectful to the other (unless I've missed something obvious...). We only see 1 hour out of 24 each day so who knows? Maybe Ali has her reasons. She hasn't handled situations the best at times but, as mentioned above, she is neurodivergent and in a pressure cooker environment. Let the girl vent. :lol:

The funniest 'woke' take I've seen recently was someone moaning about "woke birdsong" on the Big Brother livestream

 

This made me howl :lol:

Ali's my favourite housemate still but I can see points from both sides about last night. Whilst you can't police what other people say, I do think she had every right to voice how uncomfortable she felt about a discussion of a sexual nature in a group setting where she couldn't exactly split off - if they weren't all gathered on the sofas for the Head of House task, I assume Ali would've just walked away. Marcello can discuss what he wants, but I don't think it hurts to read the room a little and question whether it's the right moment.

 

Khaled doesn't really excite me as things stand, he's perfectly fine but a bit of a non-entity. I don't really get why Ali took umbrage with him, but equally we only see an hour each day out of 24, and she's entitled to feel how she feels, whether we agree or not.

 

The reason I like Ali is because she's an intriguing character, she speaks her mind, she's honest even if it's not going to be a popular opinion, and she's up for playing the game, which is no bad thing in my books. Her LGBTQ+ identity isn't relevant to my opinion, nor is her gender (and I'm confused as to how this is something that could possibly be seen as "woke"). Equally, I doubt anyone who's against Ali here is feeling that way because she's a woman. We can debate this kinda thing without stooping to a personal level, so let's please bear that in mind when debating on either side of the argument. There's no need for name-calling or assumptions. Debates are part of what makes BBUK one of the best shows to watch, because when it's done right, it's a study of character, and this cast, love them or hate them, is giving us a lot to talk about for sure.

I'm just chiming in here with my mod hat on to remind people to keep the discussion non-personal in your response to other posters please. Any baiting posts looking for an argument will be edited/removed as it would be a shame for this topic to take an unwanted turn.

 

Ive not been following this series so far but I understand there are strong opinions involved which is absolutely fine and I do encourage discussion and debate but just be mindful of where the line is - make use of the report button if you need to - thank you x

I'm just chiming in here with my mod hat on to remind people to keep the discussion non-personal in your response to other posters please. Any baiting posts looking for an argument will be edited/removed as it would be a shame for this topic to take an unwanted turn.

 

Ive not been following this series so far but I understand there are strong opinions involved which is absolutely fine and I do encourage discussion and debate but just be mindful of where the line is - make use of the report button if you need to - thank you x

 

Exactly my thoughts Lindsey. Let’s dial down the temperature within this thread please. The discussions in here should not lead to personal attacks.

More Hanah screentime today :cheer: