Love the broadcasters announcing some action, now follow through plz x

Edited May 19May 19 by pavi

Let’s start with the Azeri victory because there is no way on gods earth a song that shit sung by two tone deaf dipshits won without a voting scandal

2 minutes ago, Silas said:

It’s there, just not on the weird browser preview. As usual it’s an Elon Musk induced problem and not Italian incompetence

Twitter is so dumb slow if you don’t have an account, doesn’t let you even see the comments. Maybe for the better 😅

5 minutes ago, pavi said:

Twitter is so dumb slow if you don’t have an account, doesn’t let you even see the comments. Maybe for the better 😅

It’s entirely broken. I’m clinging on to an extremely old version of the Twitter app (as in Twitter twitter. With the bird logo) for dear life and will do until musk works out that you can force people on old versions to upgrade. So, probably forever

50 minutes ago, Iz 🌟 said:

My read of that post was that the competition should favour certain countries like Ireland and have them in the final automatically, perhaps because of their storied ESC history, unlike Luxembourg, which of course has an entirely irrelevant ESC history.

Luxembourg is not particularly a country known for supportive neighbours though - yet they're managing to qualify just fine.

At this point it's almost certain that the public seeing the 2013 split results would reveal cheating that throws the entire results of that year into question - perhaps also indicating that the EBU should have according to their own rules banned Azerbaijan which then calls into question the following years also.

I wonder whether something akin to stripping medalists from sports athletes could ever happen. With a historical audit of long-past contests, and adjusting the official record to match. Clarity and attempts to protect the voting process from manipulation are absolutely needed though, and I'm pleased to see a handful of broadcasters taking first steps on this.

That’s always what I’ve thought!! It’s one thing where in the past it’s been delayed, for an error or something being unclear, but them just hiding it is another. It makes me wonder what else has happened that the EBU never investigated and the country got away with.

I did always find it odd they “couldn’t find anything” or “security measures stopped it” but we all know Azerbaijan did it and suddenly the results go missing

18 minutes ago, Silas said:

Let’s start with the Azeri victory because there is no way on gods earth a song that shit sung by two tone deaf dipshits won without a voting scandal

Absolutely, I think because the 2011 contest was so wide open the vote fiddling would have worked better, and the same has happened here with Israel. But most of the Azeri songs that did well I would be suspicious of, When The Music Dies 4th as well!!

I’m sure one year as well, it might have been San Marino, one of the smaller countries basically made up their televote in the semi final because they didn’t get enough votes and it wasn’t valid and just used that country’s jury. Something like that anyway I recall happening.

Although ironically the one time I thought Azerbaijan genuinely had a competitive contender, in 2010, they were expected to challenge Lena for the win and came 5th in the end.

Running Scared was a bore, badly sung, and agreed it was lucky to get through a weak and spread out field with unexpected results similar to what happened this year. Even more strange than this year as the odds bore absolutely no resemblance to the final results (France vs UK was the predicted top two, they came 15th and 11th).

But 2013 was the real jumping the shark moment for them. I could see at least some charm and worth in their other top fives but Hold Me was absolutely hopeless, and to say that came above stuff like Margaret Berger is ludicrous. And the fact that the 2013 split results were never released tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of the result, the jury rankings were probably a dead giveaway.

Why are you all dragging Luxembourg into this discussion?

La poupée monte le son deserved to be there!!!

Their 2009 entry (Always) was an absolute bop, and had that been the winning entry two years later I feel it would have been utterly deserved rather than the underwhelming moment it actually was. 2011 was a very weird year in general where all the favourites underperformed, the live vocals weren’t cutting it and no one really seemed to have a mega favourite, I wonder if we’ll ever have a year as mad as that again.

See also Latvia 2000 vs Latvia 2002.

7 minutes ago, Tafty said:

Why are you all dragging Luxembourg into this discussion?

La poupée monte le son deserved to be there!!!

Legit why are they in it 😭

If we talk about Ireland winning in the past the joint most times, Luxembourg is actually joint 2nd with us and the Netherlands as they have won 5 times. It should never come to that though, it’s the song that is presented that matters.

Now I adored Laika Party and wanted it in the final, but I can see why didn’t.

It’s been confirmed that 145,000 Spanish televotes were cast in the final. So not a lot really. You might need 30,000 or so to get 12 points, but divide it by 20 and any single country only needs to mobilise 1,500 people who are in Spain.

Yeah, obviously it's not a huge effort and Isr*el have definitely calculated that it's worth the money.

However, the portion needed for 12 pts varies a lot from country to another. In Italy people voted for San Marino and in Finland they chose Sweden because KAJ are Finnish.

Edited May 20May 20 by Sour Candy

In countries where there’s a clear favourite it might not be worth chasing the 12, but you can still get 10 or 8 points with 10-15% of the vote.

For me it's so very clear...

The juries are (supposed) to be impartial and vote on the song, vocals and performance.

If the televoting was done with the same kind of mind (which it should be) then a song which is near the bottom after jury shouldn't be Top 5 after televoting, and a song Top 10 after jury should not be given NIL points by the televoting.

I know that's obvious. But anyone... absolutely ANYONE... looking at the voting here must be able to see they same thing.

There has always been favouritism, and we should always expect it. Years and years ago, Terry Wogan used to joke about how people vote for their neighbours, but politics and such just doesn't have a place in what is supposed to be a camp-as-you-like, fun song contest.

Here's a thought though...

If you could only vote for the song you liked the most, but you could also vote for your own country... how many people would have voted for their own country's song? Remember Monday was not my favourite of the night at all. Not even Top 5.

Edited May 20May 20 by ChrisJK

Well ever since the voting has been split between juries and televoting there have been big differences between the two. I think that took some getting used to but the consensus now seems to be that this is not a problem.

Whether it’s Russian grannies or Tommy Cash it’s perfectly normal for something entertaining but technically not great to be Top 3 in the televote and nowhere with the jury. Most of us think that technical quality and entertainment value should both count and that it’s right for the final to be based on a combination of the two.

I’ve always resisted the idea that the voting is political as being a slightly lazy thing to say. There may be a few pockets here and there but mostly it’s just cultural. We exchange more points than average with Ireland because we have more in common culturally. Whoever else it is, say Slovenia and Croatia, they do it too for the same reason and that’s OK as it balances out across all countries.

I tend to be strictly apolitical when it comes to Eurovision. However this is the first time I’ve seen obvious continent wide political voting significantly affecting the result of the contest, so I’m now joining those saying this is not OK.

Ah don't get me wrong, I don't think it's okay at all.

There is literally no reason how Remember Monday could end up in the Top 10 of all those jury votes and not end up in the Top 10 of any of the televoting ones. But then, that included Ireland and Australia, where I thought we might get some points at least.

And they apparently only scored 18th in the highest televote.

There were some well "sus" voting going on there and I do think it needs looking at. One of the "Big 5" pulling out would be a game-changer!

Well, for starters, the big 5 are so spoiled that they can participate final every single time so there's that. If UK had to go through the semi-final stage they would send better songs I'd say.

Anyway, Italy and France have done incredibly well in the last ten years. ITA haven't missed top 7 and FRA have four top tens.

I don’t think voting for neighbours is really “political” as such, which I always thought that Terry Wogan’s shite about bloc voting is one of the big reasons Eurovision became very much a joke in the UK and it took most of the 2010s for that to somewhat improve. If you look at say Eastern Europe in the 00s, there was a lot of them voting for each other but naturally countries that are geographically in the same area also share a culture, a similar music industry etc, so naturally the average person sat at home voting will go for something that represents them or is familiar to them.

WTHJH felt very British, very kind of musical theatre, I did think it wouldn’t appeal to the masses but for me I’d rather something like this than a fair few of our horrid cheesy 2000s and early 2010s entries. But I did find it hard to imagine an average European voter sat in say Albania or Denmark being that compelled by it to pick up the phone. The girls did solidly with the juries and that’s still better than a lot of our entires It’s not a unique thing to us, Switzerland got over double what we did in the jury vote and also still got 0, Benjamin Ingrosso for Sweden in 2018 also had a colossal disparity between a huge jury score and basically nothing on the televote. That’s kind of the fun of Eurovision, but the fun is lost with televoting like this year’s!

The big issue here, as has been said, is the fact there are countries with small televoting pools where it is so easy for the Zionists to game it. It’s one thing to be frustrated at our favourites not doing so well as we wanted or to be disappointed at how our country did, it’s another for the televote to be completely unfair for basically everyone because one country automatically commands the televote with, to say the least, nefarious methods.

The number of Belgium 2024 SF votes is almost x2 higher than in 2025.

Guess which year they were in the same SF as Israhell?