1 minute ago, awardinary said:

@Jade I was just wondering (before I potentially reconfirm) if anyone else so far has tried to confirm my current entry? I thought it could be taken by someone else.

Hi Wardy, nope you're the only one who has tried your song so far!

1 minute ago, blacksquare said:

I decided I wanted to send a proper pop song when I couldn't think of anything with a chorus for the last PFSC — and then there it was, recommended to me on YouTube. My other goal was to send a non-recycled artist to appease @Brer, only to be called one of the hivemind

We missed you in PFSC, there were a few songs with subtle choruses in the end!

It seems like this song has been hawked out all over the place on Spotify playlists and artist radios, and YouTube, so I wonder if Sarah is an artist to watch.

Just now, Brer said:

You cannot escape the cheapness

Well, you did call me part of the BJSC furniture now. You can't expect a chair not to be a chair

2 minutes ago, RobBot said:

So you mean to say you guys saw me say “my entry is MUNA/Robyn” and didn’t just let me have it? 😡

The above post definitely prompts an interesting conversation (for me, as a mod anyway) about veto points. Obviously right now, you can get 7/12 veto points for significant blog coverage but I assume most people discover their music now through playlists. Is there particular playlists that need to feature in this research? It’s much more layered than it used to be and the research I’ve covered probably doesn’t cover the way in which anyone found Fleeting.

Talking only for myself, the MUNA aspect didn't really twig when I first heard it and I certainly didn't think we'd be thinking about the same song (Robyn checks out though, but I guess so many pop songs sound influenced by her). I think I did check your personal chart a couple of days back and didn't see it there, but see it entered this week! I only could find a mention of her on the forum before yesterday by Uhsting.

I agree the veto rules are ready for revision, with less weighting to blogs and more weighting to big Spotify etc playlists. Also, maybe some stuff about TikTok virality (e.g. a sound used in a certain number of TikTok videos). I would personally also up the veto points/bracket for all artists that have finished top ten in the prior year for reasons I've mentioned before about them having an inbuilt advantage over the field.

Edited Sunday at 21:183 days by gooddelta

On 25/10/2025 at 20:53, Addy! said:

I kinda have an idea though, and if that’s the song in question then I might have considered myself sending it last contest (I doubt it’s the same song, but I shall see it later).

10 minutes ago, blacksquare said:

You should have just gone to her personal chart and taken her number one instead

Not that anyone has ever done that

Funny you say that because it’s exactly the artist/song I thought about it yesterday, but I was like I can’t recycle myself so soon after Ms. Aguilera!!!

Just now, gooddelta said:

Talking only for myself, the MUNA aspect didn't really twig when I first heard it and I certainly didn't think we'd be thinking about the same song (Robyn checks out though, but I guess so many pop songs sound influenced by her). I think I did check your personal chart a couple of days back and didn't see it there, but see it entered this week! I only could find a mention of her on the forum before yesterday by Uhsting.

I didn't hear MUNA either — I thought more Mitski went to Sweden for a weekend

(I hear it now though)

35 minutes ago, Jade said:

Without further ado...

VETO #1

Sarah Kinsley - Fleeting 12

• song was officially confirmed by 4 people, though we've had unconfirmed mentions that 2 other members would've confirmed it had they not seen the spreadsheet/discussion in the thread. Will deem this is as "5 or more people" as per the veto framework. 12

• featured on DIY Magazine and The Line Of Best Fit, amongst other lesser known blogs.

• appears in 1 personal chart (RobBot).

tbh I was really looking forward to listening to the MUNA/Robyn mashup, as I love Robyn, but whatever MUNA does irritates me greatly.

I enjoyed 'Fleeting' quite a bit, most likely it would've got some Land of DW points. And yeah, there's a good chance that it would've won.

3 minutes ago, Addy! said:

Funny you say that because it’s exactly the artist/song I thought about it yesterday, but I was like I can’t recycle myself so soon after Ms. Aguilera!!!

If we keep talking about it then it's going to get a veto

Oh Fleeting is 100% Muna in the production but not so much the vocal which I think is lacking which is a shame, I remember coming across it on a Spotify playlist recently but it went over my head because the vocals didn't really hit for me unfortunately!

13 minutes ago, Addy! said:

I follow Obsessed list as well, but I admit I don’t keep up with it…so it must have been in one of the weeks I didn’t listen/check!!!

Actually I remember both Debbii and Margaret I picked them up from that playlist

My PFSC entry Tommi Aura's Blush came from there (it was in the top spot on the playlist even), and that flopped hard so it's not always a recipe for success oops.

1 minute ago, blacksquare said:

If we keep talking about it then it's going to get a veto

Yeah, let’s do some more damage!!!

Joke aside, I think you made it very obvious from commenting in Jade’s chart to begin with !!!

Is there even a way to check what Spotify playlists songs are on?

Even if there is, I'm not sure that really explains why Sarah Kinsley was apparently so popular. The song has been out for a month and it still has less than a million total streams on Spotify (and she is American, those kind of numbers for a relatively underground UK pop artist would be a different story but as it is it's not exactly screaming '10 people are going to find this song and want to send it'). I think this is a very unique and odd case, definitely nothing like this has happened since I became a mod until now.

Feel like I’ve been away for too long, so Freidland will be making a return! I’ve confirmed 😁

Welcome back Freidland

16 minutes ago, RobBot said:

So you mean to say you guys saw me say “my entry is MUNA/Robyn” and didn’t just let me have it? 😡

The above post definitely prompts an interesting conversation (for me, as a mod anyway) about veto points. Obviously right now, you can get 7/12 veto points for significant blog coverage but I assume most people discover their music now through playlists. Is there particular playlists that need to feature in this research? It’s much more layered than it used to be and the research I’ve covered probably doesn’t cover the way in which anyone found Fleeting.

I think I would have heard Debbii one way or the other, as it was sent in Ukmix simultaneously and it did really well there, so I think that’s what pushed me confirming!!!

Edit:

Well obviously after loving it as well

Edited Sunday at 21:393 days by Addy!

Welcome back to all the returning countries <3

Jade already smashing the hosts job, from all the returning nations to many debate pages already, and the thread has been open only for about 30 hours or so

13 minutes ago, Brer said:

Is there even a way to check what Spotify playlists songs are on?

Even if there is, I'm not sure that really explains why Sarah Kinsley was apparently so popular. The song has been out for a month and it still has less than a million total streams on Spotify (and she is American, those kind of numbers for a relatively underground UK pop artist would be a different story but as it is it's not exactly screaming '10 people are going to find this song and want to send it'). I think this is a very unique and odd case, definitely nothing like this has happened since I became a mod until now.

You can check an artist's Spotify page and down near the bottom there is a 'Discovered on' category which shows the playlists they are featuring on or have recently featured on.

Sarah comes up with about 40 different playlists, so obviously it would be tricky to determine which have most effect, but New Music Friday is clearly one. All New Pop is not one I've ever looked at myself but that comes up as the top one, with nearly 250k playlist saves. Agree it would be difficult to choose which have more and less weighting, but still some of the prominent playlists imo are worthy of more veto points in this day and age than blogs. I remember a decade ago I'd spend about three or four hours a week trawling blogs for new music but I don't use them at all anymore, not even Scandipop </3.

A caveat ofc that many of my own entries come from some country's New Music Friday playlist lol, but I don't think just being on a big Spotify playlist would ever be anywhere near cause enough to veto something anyway, it's just one small part of a larger equation. But some of the very big playlists should probably be recognised with a few points at least, guessing NMF Türkiye isn't one of the bigger offenders so I will not sweat too much yet 😆

Edited Sunday at 21:493 days by gooddelta

Omg I'm an avid Spotify user and never knew that?! 💀 today I learnt!

Dying at this one appearing in Sarah's 'discovered on' section, the baton was truly ready to be passed on:

2 minutes ago, Jade said:

Omg I'm an avid Spotify user and never knew that?! 💀 today I learnt!

Dying at this one appearing in Sarah's section:

It's such a handy feature for finding artists similar to the stuff you like, and hidden gem playlists!

On 25/10/2025 at 21:04, Calum said:

Sending a Persephonia recycle to stay in line with all the cheapness

Still waiting to see who this is btw