I'm sorry, but I still can't understand if I Run was disqualified for being a 100% AI song or for fraudulent streamings. Could someone clarify it please?

Edited Saturday at 18:133 days by Jason

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm sorry, but I still can't understand if I Run was disqualified for being a 100% AI song or for fraudulent streamings. Could someone clarify it please?

Neither. Using a sample without permission

24 minutes ago, Maestro said:

Neither. Using a sample without permission

Isn't it a bit deeper than that in the sense that it's an AI mock-up of her voice?

12 minutes ago, Jessie Where said:

Isn't it a bit deeper than that in the sense that it's an AI mock-up of her voice?

I thought it was the case that nobody actually knows yet. It’s all speculation. That’s what I’ve been gathering, but I may be wrong.

It was disqualified from the chart because of the takedown notices issued to the song that have led it to be removed from streaming services. The exact reason for those takedown notices is speculation.

Big ups to Rosalía with Lux. What was the previous highest charting Spanish album before her? And, regarding Yuletide tunes, isn't this the latest year they've melted back to the charts. I'd have expected them to jingle back late October to early November.

Edited Sunday at 08:503 days by Simbeiosis
Slight glitch

On 15/11/2025 at 03:41, EmailsICantChase said:

You can make a rule that if they catch you doing AI, theyll remove you. Thats kinda how all rules work lol, if they cant catch you they cant punish you. Nothing is stopping you from going into Tesco and stealing a ham right now. And if somehow you walk out undetected, you wont get any punishment for stealing. It doesnt mean they shouldn't make laws against stealing, it just means you got away with violating the rules

And either way, they arent saying AI songs are banned per se, it's against the rules to infringe on other's rights. They'd use the same rule to say you cant sample someone else's song without permission. Theoretically, if Jorja Smith and her label agreed to let haven use AI to imitate her, it wouldnt run afoul of OCC rules

Yeah, true. And in this case it seems that it's copyright/plagiarism or the impersonation of another singer without their permission that is the issue? Not AI itself.

I dont think they will even ever try to ban AI from the charts when they get caught. And if they do they will reverse the rules very quickly.

Like, hypithetically, it turns out the Demon Hunters soundtrack used one of the new AI Compressors, and then the OCC has to remove all their songs and disqualify them from the year-end chart, then David Guetta goes on some podcast and raves about this amazing new Reverb plug-in he uses on all his songs, so now the OCC have to ban him, then a new "singer in a bedroom" Billie Eilish-type artist blows up but she reveals she wrote all her lyrics and played all the instruments but didn't know how to master her tracks so used an AI mastering app to do it, so now she's banned, then Jack Antonoff makes some YouTube tutorial on producing songs and its spotted he uses some AI plug-ins so all his songs have to be removed.

It would be an absolute mess. I can pretty much guarantee the OCC won't do it.

Maybe related to the matter, but why all the "White Noise for Babies" type of "songs" are excluded from charts? They'd be on ACR of course but never appear in top 100 even though have enough streams I guess.

19 minutes ago, Sour Candy said:

Maybe related to the matter, but why all the "White Noise for Babies" type of "songs" are excluded from charts? They'd be on ACR of course but never appear in top 100 even though have enough streams I guess.

My theory is that this would be because of the 10 stream per person cap. I imagine they end up so high on Spotify because of people looping them. There has been an instance of a white noise track being certified silver so they probably count for the charts but they are being played by people more 10 times a day so those streams don't count for the charts

Edited Sunday at 12:102 days by gasman449

4 hours ago, gasman449 said:

My theory is that this would be because of the 10 stream per person cap. I imagine they end up so high on Spotify because of people looping them. There has been an instance of a white noise track being certified silver so they probably count for the charts but they are being played by people more 10 times a day so those streams don't count for the charts

There has always been a question of ‘How many streams of a song can count towards the chart?’

When I investigated this, I found that Spotify counted every stream I made of a track. But what I found it impossible to tell was whether these would be included in their (Spotify) daily chart, and whether these would contribute towards the Official Charts.

My current feeling is that the answers to these two questions were:

a) yes

b) no

Though how they actually they deal with this I have no idea.

Unless I've misunderstood how it works, I was under the impression that the Spotify top 200 charts are already applying the 10 stream filter (as opposed to the in-app totals that don't), so that wouldn't factor in.

32 minutes ago, Dircadirca said:

Unless I've misunderstood how it works, I was under the impression that the Spotify top 200 charts are already applying the 10 stream filter (as opposed to the in-app totals that don't), so that wouldn't factor in.

So with the Baby White Noise - perhaps it’s purely the different purpose that means they are excluded from the charts - though kids songs are included.

2 minutes ago, GreyAsh said:

So with the Baby White Noise - perhaps it’s purely the different purpose that means they are excluded from the charts - though kids songs are included.

Yeah, I can't say I agree with it, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone there just thought 'well this isn't music', and they all agreed to just ignore it in perpetuity.

From Music Week:

In terms of overall UK consumption, All I Want For Christmas Is You is ahead on 5,626,585 units (post-1994), while Last Christmas is on 4,877,378 units (post-1994). 

Presumably someone can give us the all time figure for Last Christmas based on that? @Ne Plus Ultra can you help?

19 minutes ago, Maestro said:

Presumably someone can give us the all time figure for Last Christmas based on that? @Ne Plus Ultra can you help?

I think I have it at 1,420,000 pre 1994.

So 6,300,000

However another user has told me he has it at 6,240,000

It’s very silly to say Mariah is ahead when it includes her original release, but not the original release of ‘Last Christmas’.

1 hour ago, GreyAsh said:

I think I have it at 1,420,000 pre 1994.

So 6,300,000

Sounds reasonable - I had 6.22m when it left the chart in January and haven’t considered it since.

53 minutes ago, Julian_ said:

Sounds reasonable - I had 6.22m when it left the chart in January and haven’t considered it since.

Guiness Book of British Hit Singles 16th edition which is up to the end of 2002 gives us 1,420,000 (26 in the all time list at that point).

But these days that figure might not be considered correct.

2 hours ago, GreyAsh said:

I think I have it at 1,420,000 pre 1994.

So 6,300,000

However another user has told me he has it at 6,240,000

It’s very silly to say Mariah is ahead when it includes her original release, but not the original release of ‘Last Christmas’.

Basically correct though Alan Jones of Music Week gave an exact pre-February 1994 total for Last Christmas at 1,419,915 units last year.

1,419,915 pre-February 1994 units + 4,877,378 post-February 1994 units = 6,297,293 total chart units.

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by Ne Plus Ultra

5 minutes ago, Ne Plus Ultra said:

Basically correct though Alan Jones of Music Week gave an exact pre-February 1994 total for Last Christmas at 1,419,915 units last year.

1,419,915 pre-February 1994 units + 4,877,378 post-February 1994 units = 6,297,293 total chart units.

That’s brilliant! With that in mind do we have exact figures or rough estimates for:

Shape Of You

Mr Brightside

Do They Know It’s Christmas

Someone You Loved ?

I know someone asked this before - but they all (apart from Lewis) must be jostling for position right now.