The Queen Of Starting Over? :thinking:

Yeah, it's possibly my favourite song ever, I know it only came out in 2007 but whatever. :lol: Yeah, I'm never gonna send it though. I'd be sad when it flops, even the Bev fans Aled and Simon bascially don't like it much.

 

I have no idea how she'd go down.

 

There has been a drastic shift in what works, and what doesn't. As the contest shifted i had got into a proper groove of improving positions after the cheapness of BJSCI [21-16-9-4-2] since VII i haven't been so sure of what would do well.

 

I think most of my songs that i have lined up would have done well Pre-Untouched, but i'm not sure about Post-Untouched. I quite like Piece Of My Heart and Come As you Are.

 

I am considering entering a cover of POMH but am really indifferent about how it would go

I can't really speak for the older generation of contests as I've only been in it since VI but you just have to look at older results to notice that it's changed so much.

 

POMH would be interesting, it's quite a well known song but if the cover is good enough it should do alright. 'Hallelujah' did decently and that was a song most were probably familiar with.

 

I was thinking of Till I See Ya at one point. I dont really think Come As You Are or Shoulda Woulda Coulda would be too cheap eother as they werent exactly hugely memorable hits.

Do it. Maybe not CAYA or SWC as they'd be a bit cheap for me.

Beverley Knight came out of nowhere.

 

As did most of the Pre-BJSCVII winners.

 

IKAG was always gonna win. as was WYRMT.

 

Brandy was a shock in BJSCX

I: Britney wasn't really a shock, but then again only Charis winning would've been a massive shock - we didn't really know what to expect at the time. I was just glad Nelly didn't win!

II: I was v. shocked at Katharine McPhee winning. Totally didn't see that one coming, esp. as I thought from the semi-final results (and much of the final voting atch) that Regina was gonna win.

III: Dixie Chicks was a bit of a shock, I had thought Duffy had it in the bag. Actually, I lie, I thought Jordin had it in the bag :blush:

IV: Sara was a shock as well - I'd thought Wynter Gordon would storm it.

V: Gomenasai shocked everyone really. I didn't have any idea what would win that one though...

VI: Black Butta was possibly the biggest shock winner of them all. I'd thought I Don't Know/Opium would've won.

VII: IKAG was the most predictable winner of them all.

VIII: f*** You does seem quite predictable now, but I had thought Tata Young had it in the bag...

IX: It does seem now that WYRMT was always gonna win, but most of us were terrified that cheapness and So What would steal it, so it was a shock of sorts that BJ made the right decision ^_^

X: Brandy wasn't really a shock - it was easily the most open contest we've had thus far, so most of that top ten could've won and it wouldn't have been a shock really.

XI: Lenka wasn't a shock.

XII: Personally La Roux was a shock to me. I predicted 2nd, and throughout most of the voting I thought third. That was one hell of a theft at the end there :lol:

Yeah, it's possibly my favourite song ever, I know it only came out in 2007 but whatever. :lol: Yeah, I'm never gonna send it though. I'd be sad when it flops, even the Bev fans Aled and Simon bascially don't like it much.

I can't really speak for the older generation of contests as I've only been in it since VI but you just have to look at older results to notice that it's changed so much.

 

POMH would be interesting, it's quite a well known song but if the cover is good enough it should do alright. 'Hallelujah' did decently and that was a song most were probably familiar with.

Do it. Maybe not CAYA or SWC as they'd be a bit cheap for me.

The cover is pretty good, well i think so

I: Britney wasn't really a shock, but then again only Charis winning would've been a massive shock - we didn't really know what to expect at the time. I was just glad Nelly didn't win!

II: I was v. shocked at Katharine McPhee winning. Totally didn't see that one coming, esp. as I thought from the semi-final results (and much of the final voting atch) that Regina was gonna win.

III: Dixie Chicks was a bit of a shock, I had thought Duffy had it in the bag. Actually, I lie, I thought Jordin had it in the bag :blush:

IV: Sara was a shock as well - I'd thought Wynter Gordon would storm it.

V: Gomenasai shocked everyone really. I didn't have any idea what would win that one though...

VI: Black Butta was possibly the biggest shock winner of them all. I'd thought I Don't Know/Opium would've won.

VII: IKAG was the most predictable winner of them all.

VIII: f*** You does seem quite predictable now, but I had thought Tata Young had it in the bag...

IX: It does seem now that WYRMT was always gonna win, but most of us were terrified that cheapness and So What would steal it, so it was a shock of sorts that BJ made the right decision ^_^

X: Brandy wasn't really a shock - it was easily the most open contest we've had thus far, so most of that top ten could've won and it wouldn't have been a shock really.

XI: Lenka wasn't a shock.

XII: Personally La Roux was a shock to me. I predicted 2nd, and throughout most of the voting I thought third. That was one hell of a theft at the end there :lol:

i would agree with this. Brandy was a shock to me as i hated the song.

Yeah, it's possibly my favourite song ever, I know it only came out in 2007 but whatever. :lol: Yeah, I'm never gonna send it though. I'd be sad when it flops, even the Bev fans Aled and Simon bascially don't like it much.

:o Its probably favourite Bev song ever. Not that i've got much choice :heehee: (joking btw)

:o Its probably favourite Bev song ever. Not that i've got much choice :heehee: (joking btw)

I don't get it. :( Are you saying you hate her? :(

Queen of Starting Over is just a medicore Bev song IMO, most of the album is better.

I don't get it. :( Are you saying you hate her? :(

No :o . I'm saying i'm taking the p*** because you say how few fans she has :lol: . Nah i quite like her. Last single of the album before her last was very good too ^_^

Queen of Starting Over is just a medicore Bev song IMO, most of the album is better.

Yeah, that's why I said I wouldn't send it. If you don't think much of it, no one else will.

 

No :o . I'm saying i'm taking the p*** because you say how few fans she has :lol: . Nah i quite like her. Last single of the album before her last was very good too ^_^

She has no fans, except me. :cry: Keep This Fire Burning? or Piece Of My Heart? :unsure: Either way, ew cover versions. They're good covers, but still...covers.

I was thinking of Till I See Ya at one point. I dont really think Come As You Are or Shoulda Woulda Coulda would be too cheap eother as they werent exactly hugely memorable hits.

 

SWC will ALWAYS be Bev's best single IMO :heart:

Actually, in the most successful songs, La Roux has nudged Beverley out of the top ten by a fraction of a per cent!! :o

 

1) FSR Rontvia - Sara Bareilles - Love Song - 43% (BJSC IV)

2) Mdiče - Katy Perry - I Kissed a Girl - 42.3% (BJSC VII)

3) Eledan - t.A.T.u - Gomenasai - 41.3% (BJSC V)

4) Utopia - Pipettes - Pull Shapes - 40.8% (BJSC IV)

5) Kingdom of Shadow – Margaret Berger – Will You Remember Me Tomorrow – 39.9% (BJSC IX)

6) Kopečka - Stefy - Chelsea - 38.2% (BJSC IV)

7) Bhangra - Dixie Chicks - Not Ready to Make Nice - 37.8% (BJSC III)

8) Mdiče – Britney Spears – And Then We Kiss - 37.7% (BJSC I)

9) Frahliso - Serebro - What's Your Problem? - 37.3% (BJSC IV)

10) Kopečka - La Roux - Quicksand - 36.6% (BJSC XII)

 

This makes Quicksand the most successful BJSC song since Will You Remember Me Tomorrow!

 

I know some people did calculations beforehand, but for those wanting specifics, La Roux got 35.55% of the vote, which beats Bev's 35.53%

Edited December 17, 200816 yr by Peter30

Get in :heehee: I still think something's fishy about this stat though, but I need a mathematician to confirm - there must be some way of finding a standard for popularity as currently it seems skewed towards contests with fewer participants :lol:

Get in :heehee: I still think something's fishy about this stat though, but I need a mathematician to confirm - there must be some way of finding a standard for popularity as currently it seems skewed towards contests with fewer participants :lol:

 

Yeah Aaron is convinced that it is too. It certainly does seem to favour the smaller contests, but I think it is the most realistic indication we've got.

 

There are other possible reasons for there being more songs from contest 4 in the top ten.

 

We could always compile a top ten from the post-Untouched era, since they were all pretty much the same size

Yeah Aaron is convinced that it is too. It certainly does seem to favour the smaller contests, but I think it is the most realistic indication we've got.

 

There are other possible reasons for there being more songs from contest 4 in the top ten.

 

We could always compile a top ten from the post-Untouched era, since they were all pretty much the same size

That sounds much more realistic atch :o Or perhaps dividing all of the points by how many people voted and multiplying them by a certain amount so we have an equalising standard of sorts? Although that sounds a bit complicated...

I can't think of a fair way to measure the most successful/popular song. The finals vary in size yet we always have to give 10 songs points so the songs where people had to award points to 10/19 other songs are bound to have a benefit over songs where you have to give points to 10/26. (in a 27 song final, or if you didn't qualify 10/27)

 

It shouldn't really make much difference, but when there is more choice, the points are going to be more spread out. Then there's the non-qualifiers voting which shouldn't unbalance things too much but without a song in the final they have more choice.

 

I don't really know how to explain it, but when you look at the data it's just obvious that it's biased towards contests with less particpants. I don't think there's a way to fairly do this. It's not comparing like with like. I think the only contests that we can really compare are IX and X as they both had 27 song finals with an equal amount of non-qualifiers but, even then, I doubt the same amount of people actually voted.

I: Britney wasn't really a shock, but then again only Charis winning would've been a massive shock - we didn't really know what to expect at the time. I was just glad Nelly didn't win!

II: I was v. shocked at Katharine McPhee winning. Totally didn't see that one coming, esp. as I thought from the semi-final results (and much of the final voting atch) that Regina was gonna win.

III: Dixie Chicks was a bit of a shock, I had thought Duffy had it in the bag. Actually, I lie, I thought Jordin had it in the bag :blush:

IV: Sara was a shock as well - I'd thought Wynter Gordon would storm it.

V: Gomenasai shocked everyone really. I didn't have any idea what would win that one though...

VI: Black Butta was possibly the biggest shock winner of them all. I'd thought I Don't Know/Opium would've won.

VII: IKAG was the most predictable winner of them all.

VIII: f*** You does seem quite predictable now, but I had thought Tata Young had it in the bag...

IX: It does seem now that WYRMT was always gonna win, but most of us were terrified that cheapness and So What would steal it, so it was a shock of sorts that BJ made the right decision ^_^

X: Brandy wasn't really a shock - it was easily the most open contest we've had thus far, so most of that top ten could've won and it wouldn't have been a shock really.

XI: Lenka wasn't a shock.

XII: Personally La Roux was a shock to me. I predicted 2nd, and throughout most of the voting I thought third. That was one hell of a theft at the end there :lol:

 

for me...

 

I: I didn't care enough to think of it as a shock...I only remember being disappointed at Believe Again doing so awfully in this contest

II: see above but replace Believe Again with Stumble

III: I also thought Jordin would win this one...was surprised it came quite so low

IV: Definitely didn't have Sara down as a winner for me, I thought Pipettes would walk it actually

V: yep, tATu was a shock! nice shock as I was the host

VI: Massive shock that Beverley won...I couldn't see anything but Opium winning that one!

VII: there was never any doubt that it would be a Katy/Gaga 1-2

VIII: another I hosted...early votes indicated that Ladyhawke was going to win...then it switched to Tata, then Little Jackie and then Lily Allen...I wouldn't have been shocked at any of these 4 winning

IX: Everyone else thought So What would walk it, and I did too until about two days before the final results when I changed my mind, after I'd actually heard Margaret's song that is! I was the only one who had her at the top of my odds thread though just before the final results were announced!

X: Brandy shocked me...I thought Mira Craig was going to win, I was so blinded by my love for the track at that time!

XI: Lenka was one of the most obvious winners I think...I always expected it...

XII: La Roux wasn't a surprise for me...I did think it was a 4-6 horse race but La Roux was always in front

 

I was the only one who had her at the top of my odds thread though just before the final results were announced!

Ahem? :P

I can't think of a fair way to measure the most successful/popular song. The finals vary in size yet we always have to give 10 songs points so the songs where people had to award points to 10/19 other songs are bound to have a benefit over songs where you have to give points to 10/26. (in a 27 song final, or if you didn't qualify 10/27)

 

It shouldn't really make much difference, but when there is more choice, the points are going to be more spread out. Then there's the non-qualifiers voting which shouldn't unbalance things too much but without a song in the final they have more choice.

 

I don't really know how to explain it, but when you look at the data it's just obvious that it's biased towards contests with less particpants. I don't think there's a way to fairly do this. It's not comparing like with like. I think the only contests that we can really compare are IX and X as they both had 27 song finals with an equal amount of non-qualifiers but, even then, I doubt the same amount of people actually voted.

 

ACTUALLY....I am now thinking that it might be a coincidence.....

 

Because it is not the percentage share of points that a song has, it is the percentage of the total amount of points they could have achieved. And the smaller the contest, the smaller this total will be. There are factors to consider like in the earlier contests there were fewer people and so fewer varieties and it came to musical taste etc.

 

The stats certainly do favour contest 4 in particular, but look and you'll see that the next two smallest contests, 1 and 3, only have one entry each, much lower in the top ten.

 

A good way to judge would be to look at the percentage scores that the songs at the bottom got.

Ahem? :P

 

:lol: I checked and both Sabrewulf and Simon had Margaret on the top of their odds as well, although the latter probably because he didn't want to be big headed by putting Pink at the top :P

 

you had her in 2nd at 2/1 with Pink in first at 3/2, I had them both at the top as joint faves in my final odds

I can't think of a fair way to measure the most successful/popular song. The finals vary in size yet we always have to give 10 songs points so the songs where people had to award points to 10/19 other songs are bound to have a benefit over songs where you have to give points to 10/26. (in a 27 song final, or if you didn't qualify 10/27)

 

It shouldn't really make much difference, but when there is more choice, the points are going to be more spread out. Then there's the non-qualifiers voting which shouldn't unbalance things too much but without a song in the final they have more choice.

 

I don't really know how to explain it, but when you look at the data it's just obvious that it's biased towards contests with less particpants. I don't think there's a way to fairly do this. It's not comparing like with like. I think the only contests that we can really compare are IX and X as they both had 27 song finals with an equal amount of non-qualifiers but, even then, I doubt the same amount of people actually voted.

Perhaps dividing all data by the amount of voters and multiplying it by 27 would do it then?