Welcome all BuzzJack nations to the OFFICIAL vote on Eurovision National Finalists and whether they shouldl be allowed to be enterred into the BJSC from XVI. As a result of this vote, BJSC XVI's confirmation and reservation threads shall be temporarily delayed until further notice, we would appreciate if the host of this contest could co-operate with us on this to ensure there is not confusion over this matter. We would like every single nation to have a vote on this matter to ensure any rule changes/enforcments are done so democratically, as a result this thread shall remain open for several days (Tuesday evening is the earliest it shall close, Sunday the latest) so feel free to consider your vote carefully before responding. Finally before we get down to the matter in hand, this thread shall be watched closely by all three mods to ensure there are no irresponsible responses which may break BuzzJack rules. ATTACKS ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

 

Ok, this vote is taking place to decide whether or not we should allow songs which take part in Eurovision NATIONAL finals/semi-finals should be allowed to be enterred in the BJSC. At present the rules state they may NOT be enterred. This means for example that a participator in the BJSC could not enter Big Brovaz - 'Big Bro Thang' as it took part in 'Making Your Mind Up' the UK's Eurovision selection contest. It is being proposed that we drop this rule. All Eurovision Song Contest finalists/semi-finalists shall continue to be disallowed in the BJSC for the time being.

 

To enable you to make your mind up we have compiled a possible arguement for and against this rule change below. This is just to give people a basic idea of the issues being discussed and I'm sure many more will arise as this discussion continues.

 

Arguement FOR the rule change

 

Eurovision Song Contest National Finalists are generally not as well known as many other songs which are allowed to be enterred into the contest and so it is not as much of an advantage as it had previously been to enter one. This is especially the case since the BJSC forum was detached from the Eurovision forum.

 

Arguement AGAINST the rule change

 

The BuzzJack Eurovision forum is followed very closely by many contestants in the BJSC, as a result Eurovision Song Contest National Finalists will be well known to many especially tracks from the UK's NFs and the infamous Melodifestivalen. As a result these potentially 'cheap' songs may have an advantage over many other entries and create a greater scope for cheap songs in the contest.

 

These are only potential arguements and do not represent both sides of the debate fully

 

So, do YOU think Eurovision National Final entries should be allowed in the BJSC? DISCUSS

 

Please keep all discussions on this in this topic so that we can monitor everything more easily and let's start the debate!

Personally I think yes, very few members actually follow Eurovision avidly so NF songs would be great discoveries for several members.

I'm going to vote No on this one - mainly after the kerfuffle it caused before and i also think it would lead to unfair bias from certain members

Of course - yes! Only a small number of Eurovision obsessives actually follow MF/etc. Plus each year the number of people seriously liking Eurovision decreases. All because of the 'it's all political' stereotype. PLUS (again) Eurovision season is quite short so 3 (at a hard) months is tolerable :/

 

Yeah.

Oh I must add that I respect whatever the result of the vote is :P

YES! BJ is completely different to ESC... so not many follow it... so it's still new discoveries... I'd ban cheap entries before I banned NF entries!

Oh I must add that I respect whatever the result of the vote is :P

Unlike me :kink:

 

:ph34r:

FSR Rontvia votes yes, for many reasons I have gone into before but won't reiterate at length again...

 

I don't see a problem with it as only a tiny handful of us follow these songs anyway, and it's not like us Euroloons like every single song in every single national final :heehee: if this years 32 Melodifestivalen entries all appeared in a BJSC context, I would only consider voting for about 7 of them, which is hardly a lot out of that amount is it!?!

YES! BJ is completely different to ESC... so not many follow it... so it's still new discoveries... I'd ban cheap entries before I banned NF entries!

 

except 'cheap songs' would be a lot harder to bundle into groups to be able to ban than the dreaded lergy of the Eurovision rejects group so banning 'cheap' songs would probably not be feasible at all...

I'm voting yes, I don't see how the "cheap" advantage of a eurovision national final song could be any worse then the "cheap" advantage of a song like Womanizer for example which isn't banned. (although I doubt anyone would send it :P)

Edited April 12, 200916 yr by Sabrewulf238

I'm voting yes, I don't see how the "cheap" advantage of a eurovision national final song could be any worse then the "cheap" advantage of a song like Womanizer for example which isn't banned. (although I doubt anyone would send it :P)

 

Damn there goes my XVI entry

*prays this doesn't turn into an argument* I say no.

PRJ votes yes.

 

There are so few songs that would appeal anyway, and it is a shame to not let people discover some gems through this medium. I can understand banning Final songs, but NF songs is taking it a bit far.

 

Of course, as others have said, I will respect the majority decision.

What's the point? It's lasted 15 contests without this vote.

 

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" IMO.

Yes.

 

But to be awkward I propose having a rule that no NF songs from that year can be entered into the BJSC until after that year's ESC has finished in May.

 

I.E. In this example 2009 NF songs should not be eligible for nomination until the June BJSC (XVII).

Yes then I can send Cara Mia :kink:

What's the point? It's lasted 15 contests without this vote.

 

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" IMO.

But implementing this rule may make the contest more interesting/better/etc. Didn't you think about it?

 

Serfdom lasted several thousand of years: if it ain't broken don't fix it?! :/

Yes.

 

But to be awkward I propose having a rule that no NF songs from that year can be entered into the BJSC until after that year's ESC has finished in May.

 

I.E. In this example 2009 NF songs should not be eligible for nomination until the June BJSC (XVII).

Good point actually imo! :o I'm for it as well!

Yes then I can send Cara Mia :kink:

 

I was considering at least 3 songs from MF 2007 although that wasn't one of them...I do love it though :heart:

Yes, I really don't see why they shouldn't be allowed.

Songs are songs. Simple as.