blah de blah de blah.... you are fast becoming a charactuer of yourself m8...

 

And you're not I suppose (and the word you're grasping for is "caricature" by the way :P )...? Oh, yeah, the economy fukkin' up is all the fault of "workshy layabouts" and "immigrants" innit, because of course, they drive our economy dont they, it's the "bone idle" layabouts who create the policies and the market conditions innit...? Nothing at ALL to do with the c/unts in the city or in Westminster.... Prat....

 

You seriously need to read the past 12 months of the "In The City" section of Private Eye, then you'd actually come to the same conclusion I have - the shooting's too good for most of these greedy pricks......

 

I put the blame where it actually lies, whereas you and your idol Michael fukkin' Caine merely look for the same old easy scapegoats..... While I may agree that the "something for nothing" culture has to end, the "workshy" are NOT the root cause or the architects of this absolute financial cataclysm we now face, and for you or Caine to suggest that they are is entirely disingenuous and misleading.... We've had the workshy for far longer than we've had the credit crunch/recession, and frankly, I'm firmly of the belief that "Chav" and "celeb/wag culture" are merely symptoms of Thatcherite Neo-Liberalism and the Post-Thatcherite Neo-Conservatism endorsed by Nu Labor.....

So are we having the VAT rate back up to 17.5% yet?

 

Quite possibly the stupidest most pointless thing labour has done in the recession.

 

Knocking 2p off the price of bloody biscuits is not going to make people buy more biscuits.

 

Knocking 25p off the price of broadband is not going to make people get broadband. The majority of those who want it have it. If they could afford it they would go for one of the cheap packages available. 25p isn't going to make anything more affordable.

 

And who the f*** is going to go into Currys and go buy a HDTV because the vat cut has knocked the price down by a bloody fiver?

Brown and Darling quite clearly have no bloody clue with how to deal with this recession, it begs the question have they even got the right qualifications to be doing what they are doing? Have they a finance/economics/accounting degree? I'm nearly finished my second year in Accounting and have done enough economics to know that to increase demand you need a significant price drop.

 

Taking VAT off things would have done that, making a HDTV over £50 cheaper is gonna do a lot more than a bloody fiver.

 

Brown/Darling should really just shut the hell up and stop trying to convince the world to follow their lead. K Rudd is owning the pair of them right now. No gimicky VAT cut, he gave everyone $900.

 

If you wake up to find a cheque for $900 for both you and your partner you have $1800. What are you gonna do? Save part of it, probs, but you can now physically afford to buy the HDTV because you have to money to buy it with now.

 

If the people who demand the product don't have the funds to buy it, a £5 cut in price is going to do f*** all. It always was. The fact that Brown/Darling thought it would clearly shows that they are out of their depths. The best thing they could do for the UK is to call an election soon and get the f*** out of government.

 

Spot on, especially the boldened part...

 

Oh, and by the way, didn't you know, the plans are actually to put VAT to 18.5% at the end of the year.... C/unts..... <_<

 

Oh, and something else you may not know, in UK, students who study BUSINESS MANAGEMENT Degrees have no actual FINANCE or ACCOUNTANCY class as a core module..... I sh!t you not.... Same goes for people studying MBAs.... Well, that pretty much says it all dunnit.....? :rolleyes:

 

You know what mate, if I was Osama Bin Laden, I wouldn't have used my money to form a terrorist group, I'd've put my vast fortune into forming a Hedge Fund and wipe out the markets by playing in the Sub-Prime Mortgage or CDO markets.... :lol: It probably would've done more damage to the West than a thousand 9/11s considering these stupid c.unts weren't even trying to smash the system....... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Or, if I was a young anarchist, I'd be at uni studying to be an accountant or a banker right now, you can indeed potentially smash the system if you're a Wall St stockbroker or a banker... ROFLMAO....

thats more bollox.... the blokes worked all his life for the rewards he enjoys... i have no problem with that, and i fully support his views on the bone idle work shy scum he berates.

That would be the "bone idle work shy" people who pay to see his films and provide some of his massive income. I just hope they vote with their feet and refuse to pay to see his latest film.

That would be the "bone idle work shy" people who pay to see his films and provide some of his massive income.

 

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Excellent riposte Suede..... I for one shall never be going to see another Michael Caine film ever again after his totally obnoxious ranting... If I want to watch em, I'll download the buggers..... :P

Spot on, especially the boldened part...

 

Oh, and by the way, didn't you know, the plans are actually to put VAT to 18.5% at the end of the year.... C/unts..... <_<

 

Oh, and something else you may not know, in UK, students who study BUSINESS MANAGEMENT Degrees have no actual FINANCE or ACCOUNTANCY class as a core module..... I sh!t you not.... Same goes for people studying MBAs.... Well, that pretty much says it all dunnit.....? :rolleyes:

 

You know what mate, if I was Osama Bin Laden, I wouldn't have used my money to form a terrorist group, I'd've put my vast fortune into forming a Hedge Fund and wipe out the markets by playing in the Sub-Prime Mortgage or CDO markets.... :lol: It probably would've done more damage to the West than a thousand 9/11s considering these stupid c.unts weren't even trying to smash the system....... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Or, if I was a young anarchist, I'd be at uni studying to be an accountant or a banker right now, you can indeed potentially smash the system if you're a Wall St stockbroker or a banker... ROFLMAO....

:o bast*rds.

 

18.5%

 

How long are we stuck with that one? Until the voters in this country finally see sense and ditch Labour??

 

:rolleyes:

 

I bet they've swept that under the carpet along with a hike in petrol tax.

 

I did Business Management at high school, and i didn't do very financial stuff. What we did was more along the lines of making decisions on the basis of ratios and figures we were given [Ratio's are so easy to manipulate it is unreal - You can Enron style manipulate a ratio in about 5minutes]

 

Accounting/Finance degrees have a lot of Economics and Business elements in them. Right now, i'm doing Management Accounting, Corporate Finance [Economics], Management Concepts and Information Systems and Analysis. Just one accounting course in a pure accounting degree.

 

That is the kind of background people in charge of these hedge funds and the chancellor needs to have! Without a basic understanding of accounting and economics they can cut the vat rate by 2.5% for as long as they want, it'll do f*** all.

 

I want to know where exactly my taxes go. I pay National Insurance and Income Tax on my wages. I pay VAT [well currently GST but same thing] and when i get back to the UK providing my mum's car doesn't die i'll be paying Road Tax and Petrol Tax through my eyeballs.

 

Where the f*** does it go?

 

It certainly doesn't go on the f***ing roads, they are a mess. Education is pathetic, and the NHS is a black hole of infection waiting lists.

 

We don't need a conservative government after Labour we need something totally different. Like completely different. A radical departure to a party that is going to fix the bloody country instead of talk about it, argue a bit then have lunch in the red room of house number 12.

 

The NHS is quite clearly over due an over haul, or scrapping. If by some horrific twist of fate i end up stuck in the UK after i leave uni i'm going Private.

 

Road tax should be spent on the roads, and Petrol tax is unnecessary. why do we need a tax that is so f***ing high yet does absolutely nothing but pay for the MP's eighty homes and the expenses? oh and of course the bloody banks. I fail to see how we can get it so wrong and have to pay so much for everything when our counter parts in the EU pay so much less.

 

It's why i am pro-Euro. It'll be a $h!t load harder for the UK to be ripped off because we can directly compare prices to the rest of the EU. Of course, this is why the government will never switch us, they along with the banks and Tesco like to take us for a ride.

 

If i were Osama, i wouldnt have bothered with two office blocks, i'd have gone for a G8/G20 summit and the houses of parliament and done the world a bloody big favour. He'd be a sodding Hero!

That would be the "bone idle work shy" people who pay to see his films and provide some of his massive income. I just hope they vote with their feet and refuse to pay to see his latest film.

 

...... paid for by HIM...a taxpayer! ... :lol:

 

since when have the bone idle queued up to see a mc film at the cinema?

 

and why are you n scott so 'anti' this person having a 'massive income'? its a job that hes paid for and market forces dictate his income.

Well, sorry, but I dont... I'm simply NOT going to listen to some extremely rich dude bitch and moan about how "hard done by" he is because of a poxy 50% tax rate.... HE CAN AFFORD IT, so he should stop whingeing and either p!ss or get off the pot, the guy's 76, he doesn't NEED to carry on working, and if he does his job for the "love of acting, dear boy", then he should give his fees to charity......

 

Besides, just what the fukk is YOUR suggestion mate...? Raise taxes for people earning minimum wage...? Fukk off.... <_< For him to go on about "bone idle work shy scum" as being the actual reason his taxes have gone up shows his total ignorance of the issue.... The reason his taxes have gone up is because of the maggots in the city, Government and at top banking firms playing fast and loose with sh!t they knew bugger all about, and FUKKIN' UP OUR ECONOMY....... :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

he and i have never said that the workshy scum are THE reason the economy is in a mess, just a contributing factor that could easily be remedied by making the benefits scroungers be employed doing community work...a notion that you agreed with!

 

us taxpayers are really sick n tired of working to fund their lifestyle.... as for the big city fat cats...thats a different issue, but one that is to be addressed accordingly. so we are going through a rough patch... sorry but i for one am not surprised that the gravy train has come to a grinding halt... it was always going to as there has NEVER been unchecked prosperity and there never will be... hence im NOT angry about it as i believe its cyclicle. it will pass, how soon? that not only depends upon the competance of our government but also upon world financial forces. but it will pass, and if you think you can do a better job then please run for office!

So are we having the VAT rate back up to 17.5% yet?

 

The current talk is that when VAT is put back up, it will actually be put to 18.5% instead...

he and i have never said that the workshy scum are THE reason the economy is in a mess, just a contributing factor that could easily be remedied by making the benefits scroungers be employed doing community work...a notion that you agreed with!

 

Like I say, I agree with the idea, but I dont believe that Michael Caine opening his stupid gob and just firing at all the wrong targets is helping matters in the slightest.... We've had dolies since the 80s mate, when Thatcher chucked 3 million people on the scrapheap and basically robbed an entire generation of working class kids of having any hope or ambitions for the future, THATCHERISM is the disease that created Chav mate, and I'd be willing to bet that Michael bloody Caine actually voted in the evil bitch.... <_< And the Post-Thatcherite, NU LABOR experiment has done absolutely bugger all to treat the disease, if anything, the disease has spread.... When I voted for a Labour party back in '97, I fully expected them to rebuild our shattered society and to end the Thatcherite philosophy of "no such thing as society".... I expected a far more fair and socially inclusive model (perhaps based upon Germany or Scandinavia..) to occur in this country.... It didn't happen, and frankly, there are absolutley NO excuses as to why they couldn't have created a more fair and just society - after 18 years of scummy Tory sh!te it's what people VOTED THEM IN TO DO FFS...... :angry: :angry:

 

As for your second argument, this is very, very FAR from being a normal economic cycle... Have you ever actually READ anything to do with all this, there are some good books out there, and Dispatches did an excellent two-part documentary prog recently, go onto 4OD and actually watch it, and educate yourself.... This bloody Gordon Brown came into power actually EXPLICITLY promising "no more boom and bust", he said it, it's on record, he cant take it back or UN-say it mate.... He LIED to us, end of story.... And you still defend the c/unt.....

 

As far as I'm concerned the absolutely best thing that could happen in the next election is a Hung Parliament, or, better yet, a Lib Dem victory.... Labour and Tory have had 30 odd years to absolutely fukkin' screw up this country, TIME FOR A CHANGE....

and why are you n scott so 'anti' this person having a 'massive income'? its a job that hes paid for and market forces dictate his income.

 

We're "anti-Caine" because he's blatantly talking ill-educated, ignorant, Daily Mail editorial sh!te and blatantly does NOT know the factors which have led to our current situation..... :rolleyes: SOOOO easy for the fukkin' rich to dump on the poor innit....? <_<

 

And if that sounds like Class Politics, well yes, it IS.... I've become a very avid proponent of Class War ideology... There's a hell of a lot more of US than there is of THEM mate..... The working classes in this country dont actually realise the power they truly possess, but they should, Anti Poll Tax Riots and the Fuel Protests created a total volte face in Govt policy, we need a lot MORE of this imo.... The French working classes do this sort of thing all the time, and I respect them far more for exercising their power more readily than the sheep-like mentality of the Unions in this country.....

 

Vive Le CDG..... :cheer: (French Communist Trade Union)

I want to know where exactly my taxes go. I pay National Insurance and Income Tax on my wages. I pay VAT [well currently GST but same thing] and when i get back to the UK providing my mum's car doesn't die i'll be paying Road Tax and Petrol Tax through my eyeballs.

 

Where the f*** does it go?

 

If i were Osama, i wouldnt have bothered with two office blocks, i'd have gone for a G8/G20 summit and the houses of parliament and done the world a bloody big favour. He'd be a sodding Hero!

 

I'll tell you where a lot of it's been going for the past 5 or 6 years..... On bloody wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that NO BUGGER WANTED; on an NHS IT system (over £40 billion and counting) THAT DOESN'T FUKKIN' WORK; On a bloody ID card system, that, again NO SOD WANTS; and ever increasing billions on bloody Trident nukes..... <_<

 

As to your second point.... SPOT ON...... But I think in the case of the Houses of Parliament he should pump poison gas into it during PM question time, why destroy a perfectly beautiful piece of architecture..... :lol:

 

We're "anti-Caine" because he's blatantly talking ill-educated, ignorant, Daily Mail editorial sh!te and blatantly does NOT know the factors which have led to our current situation..... :rolleyes: SOOOO easy for the fukkin' rich to dump on the poor innit....? <_<

 

but he was highlighting one thing wrong with this country, he wasnt putting ALL the blame on the layabouts, that wasnt his only political view... and he wasnt knocking the poor...he was knocking the work shy layabouts that he and every other taxpayer is funding! i cant see what there is for anyone to disagree with! .... yes i know there are other points, i know there are a multitude or reasons why my taxes are so high, but his point was addressing the layabouts.... 1 point in a handful.

 

thats more bollox.... the blokes worked all his life for the rewards he enjoys... i have no problem with that, and i fully support his views on the bone idle work shy scum he berates.

 

What about those of us (prime example - me - and there are lots of others like me) who have agreed to take a 7.5% pay cut for the next year? We do it in the hope that it will keep the factory going - and in doing so keeping more people off the dole - then I don't see what the f*ck Caine is complaining about. I agree with Grimly on Caine. It wouldn't be so bad if he was a decent actor - but apart from Educating Rita (and I only watched that for Julie Walters) he's done bugger all of note! I even believe the Italian Job would have been better with Terence Stamp in the lead. I detest Caine and his 'working class hero' crap!

 

Norma

Edited April 30, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

What about those of us (prime example - me - and there are lots of others like me) who have agreed to take a 7.5% pay cut for the next year? We do it in the hope that it will keep the factory going - and in doing so keeping more people off the dole - then I don't see what the f*ck Caine is complaining about.

Norma

 

Spot on Norma.... I wonder if Caine would be so willing to take a similar pay cut in his next film role....? Just make sure you guys get your money back if and when your factory turns a decent profit again, dont let them take advantage of your good faith.....

but he was highlighting one thing wrong with this country, he wasnt putting ALL the blame on the layabouts, that wasnt his only political view... and he wasnt knocking the poor...he was knocking the work shy layabouts that he and every other taxpayer is funding! i cant see what there is for anyone to disagree with! .... yes i know there are other points, i know there are a multitude or reasons why my taxes are so high, but his point was addressing the layabouts.... 1 point in a handful.

 

Okay, so presumably Caine has some sort of manifesto then or was making a much larger point (such as my original post outlining what I thought about the state of UK in 2009 which took on board a hell of a lot more points than just talking about "layabouts"....), yeah...? So, he wasn't just rambling on about dolies.....

 

So, perhaps you'd be so kind as to post his opinions on Fred Goodwin, the bankers, the City, Wall St, Gordon Broon, Alistair Darling, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the general state of UK, the massive debt, the absolute fantasy that is Alistair Darling's growth projections, etc, etc, etc, because those are all the points I put in my original post... Presumably Mr Caine's speech covered a similar multitude of points.....

but he was highlighting one thing wrong with this country, he wasnt putting ALL the blame on the layabouts, that wasnt his only political view... and he wasnt knocking the poor...he was knocking the work shy layabouts that he and every other taxpayer is funding! i cant see what there is for anyone to disagree with! .... yes i know there are other points, i know there are a multitude or reasons why my taxes are so high, but his point was addressing the layabouts.... 1 point in a handful.

He was labelling everyone who is unemployed or on disability benefit as "bone idle layabouts". That is ignorance of the highest order and a gross insult to the hundreds of thousands made redundant over the last few months.

 

For most of the time that awful woman was PM the top rate pf tax was 60% and unemployment was higher than it is now. I don't remember Caine whingeing then.

 

This man is worth a reputed 35 million quid. This country is now heavily in debt, mostly due to the collapsed banks, not profligate government spending. The gap has to be plugged somehow and some people (M Caine for instance) are in a better position to help do so than most of us.

 

If he wants to leave then good riddance and he can hand back his knighthood on his way out.

Spot on, especially the boldened part...

 

Oh, and by the way, didn't you know, the plans are actually to put VAT to 18.5% at the end of the year.... C/unts..... <_<

If you agree that putting VAT to 15% was a bad idea on the grounds that it won't do much (which i think it was) then surely it's a bit hypocritical if you complain about putting VAT up 1% more than before? I think "c**ts" is a bit of a strong word there. -_-

He was labelling everyone who is unemployed or on disability benefit as "bone idle layabouts". That is ignorance of the highest order and a gross insult to the hundreds of thousands made redundant over the last few months.

 

For most of the time that awful woman was PM the top rate pf tax was 60% and unemployment was higher than it is now. I don't remember Caine whingeing then.

 

This man is worth a reputed 35 million quid. This country is now heavily in debt, mostly due to the collapsed banks, not profligate government spending. The gap has to be plugged somehow and some people (M Caine for instance) are in a better position to help do so than most of us.

 

If he wants to leave then good riddance and he can hand back his knighthood on his way out.

 

I think you will find that its probably only £32m after the credit crunch ;) . On a more serious note, lets say he does up sticks and leave as is his right, then if he earns lets say £5m in a year and he pays 50% tax that is £2.5m give or take. If he leaves I guess he doesnt pay any UK tax. So excuse my ignorance but that means Darling is £2.5m more in the red, since the lazy long term workshy(I specifically exclude the recent unlucky unemployed,through no fault of their own, f***ing greedy bankers :angry: ) he still has to pay out benefits to them, he won't cut his outgoings therefore he will have to put up taxes on you and me to fund it. So up goes income tax,or national insurance(let's not forget next year it goes up 0.5% on all of us), or he puts up duty on alcohol,fags or petrol.

 

Worse scenario is all his luvie mates do the same and they all move to low tax Countries, they might be followed out the door by other rich folk, they won't pay tax here and the tax on the low paid goes up and up. Don't think that can't happen. Last time Labour put taxes up to ridiculous levels there was a massive exodus of rich people.

 

Like it or hate it, if top rate tax is 40% or say 42.5% then the majority will stay and pay. At this present time the Countries tax affairs are so f***ed up we need every bit of tax collected, the last thing we need is the ones paying the most to leave and not pay anything.

 

So wake up and smell the roses, you don't have to like the rich, you don't have to go and see their films, or buy their music, or read their books but to tell him to feck off is just stupid and childish. If you can come up with credible arguements to say how you would plug the drop in taxes then fine.

 

This increase was done purely for political reasons and nothing else. The amount of tax raised is small in the scheme of things, probably between £2b and £7b at best, and only if everyone pays. It was a trap set for the conservatives to see if they would say they would reverse it ,therefore appeasing the rich or whether they would keep it, and thereby rubber stamping Labour policy.

 

Labour have been in power for 12 years why wait until their last year in office to raise taxes, when it stated in their manifesto that they would not raise income tax at all. Mind you they have a habit of breaking manifesto promises recently....EU treaty vote????

 

I pay a lot of tax to this government, and generally I am happy for it to be spent on the National Health Service,Education etc. But I object to it going to the workshy as well, and to the waste in Whitehall(like second homes allowances and adult movies :angry: , nuclear missiles, wars we dont want,stupid NH computers and ID cards.

 

 

 

 

I wish I earned enough to pay 50% tax!

 

Norma

I wish I earned enough to pay 50% tax!

 

Norma

 

 

Norma,

 

You should seriously think about stand up comedy or write a book and the you will become a 50% taxpayer. :lol: I would buy your book :cheer: