Can you just explain to me how he doesn't have the right to be number one please? Has he not been working his ass off, performing each week to millions, for months solid? Has he not got a song out that hundreds of thousands of people like? Don't be spiteful. You may not like the song, or Joe, but you have no right to sit there and say he has no right to be #1 or have a record contract, because at least he's got up and done something with his life, and is trying to achieve his dream. He has put out a song that many people like, if you don't like it, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but there's no need for bashing like that.

Nobody has an automatic right to have a number one single. There are countless bands and solo artists out there who have been working their socks off for months or even years without managing to get a record deal, let alone have the free publicity Joe has had. They spend their time writing their own material and performing it live, playing their own instruments. Even those who have got a record deal have their chances of success in the last four months of the year totally blown away by the juggernaut that is Fix Factor.

Can you just explain to me how he doesn't have the right to be number one please? Has he not been working his ass off, performing each week to millions, for months solid? Has he not got a song out that hundreds of thousands of people like? Don't be spiteful. You may not like the song, or Joe, but you have no right to sit there and say he has no right to be #1 or have a record contract, because at least he's got up and done something with his life, and is trying to achieve his dream. He has put out a song that many people like, if you don't like it, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but there's no need for bashing like that.

 

I really can't believe I've read the above post.

 

All I will say is Michelle McManus; Steve Brookstein & Leon Jackson all had #1 hits; yet where are they now.

 

The X-Factor is a lazy lowest common denominator mass consumption show, that has an unprecedented four months free advertising campaign; resulting in around 500K - 1 million brain dead zombies rushing out to buy the winners bad cover version of an adult contemporary schlock or a track rejected by Westlife single by an act that will be forgotten in 24 months time. In short it is not music; it has zero artistic merit whatsoever. It is musical cancer.

 

For me their potential as artists does not exist until they release their second single and debut album the following autumn that is when if they have musical merit (like Will Young; Leona Lewis) they will survive, if not they will be dropped; to be replaced by the next bland karoake cannon fodder the following year.

 

I think that some people in the X-factor camp have got the wrong idea, I am very into this RATM campaign and it certainly isn't through any ill will towards Joe - when I first saw the group a week and a half ago I thought it was a great idea *because I would love to see Killing In The Name at Christmas Number 1*, not because I actively didn't want to see Joe there.

 

As it happens I'm disappointed, as usual, with the single X-factor have released... and the irony of the fact that Joe's camp is complaining about not being automatically gifted number 1, when the song they've given him to sing is about how it's the journey that matters not the prize (if it's about anything at all) - is not lost on us. That is a galvanising factor, but the main thing was that doing this in itself would be fun. It's certainly not for most of us about spite for Joe, who seems like a nice lad and I'm sure he'll have a number 1 in some form soon enough even if it isn't tomorrow. I'm sorry about some of the negativity that has come from an element on our side.

Nobody has an automatic right to have a number one single. There are countless bands and solo artists out there who have been working their socks off for months or even years without managing to get a record deal, let alone have the free publicity Joe has had. They spend their time writing their own material and performing it live, playing their own instruments. Even those who have got a record deal have their chances of success in the last four months of the year totally blown away by the juggernaut that is Fix Factor.

 

I'm not saying he has an automatic right to be number one, but to say he has no right to have a number one single, purely because the OP dislikes the song/singer is not right. But he has worked damn hard, and he is out there, so who the hell is he to say that Joe has no right to be number one? Everyone has the right to be number one, it depends on who buys their music. But saying Joe has no right to be #1 is just downright ignorant.

Edited December 19, 200916 yr by MrLovett

I think there's a confusion between 'automatic right' and 'right', here. Joe has a right but he does not have an automatic right. I'm new here but it seems like everyone's agreed on that (I think..?)

Mr lovett every post I make you continue to act like I am not entitled to an opinion and you are always correct and once again you have taken out of context what I have said in order to attack me.

 

My original post stated that by winning x factor joe is not entitled automatically to a number one and many x factor fans have stated that he is. Nowhere in my post did I say he did not deserve a number one if he gets to number one then he does but he is not automatically entitled to it just by winning the x factor.

 

I have nowhere in my post bashed joe either I personally do not have a problem with him. My post stated that he should be lucky he has got a record deal at all and be glad if he gets a number 2 as there are many people who cannot even get a record deal, nowhere in my post did I state that he did not deserve a record deal so I do not see how I am being spiteful.

 

Please refrain from attempting to entice an argument from me in the future because no one wants to read it, I already have two warnings due to you and I do not want another one so can you please stop the harassment.

Mr lovett every post I make you continue to act like I am not entitled to an opinion and you are always correct and once again you have taken out of context what I have said in order to attack me.

 

My original post stated that by winning x factor joe is not entitled automatically to a number one and many x factor fans have stated that he is. Nowhere in my post did I say he did not deserve a number one if he gets to number one then he does but he is not automatically entitled to it just by winning the x factor.

 

I have nowhere in my post bashed joe either I personally do not have a problem with him. My post stated that he should be lucky he has got a record deal at all and be glad if he gets a number 2 as there are many people who cannot even get a record deal, nowhere in my post did I state that he did not deserve a record deal so I do not see how I am being spiteful.

 

Please refrain from attempting to entice an argument from me in the future because no one wants to read it, I already have two warnings due to you and I do not want another one so can you please stop the harassment.

 

Oh for goodness sake. I actually said in the post you are fully entitled to your opinion! I can't even have a debate or even a discussion with you without you getting stressed at me and accusing me of attacking you. I give up, I can't stand people who do that.

Edited December 19, 200916 yr by MrLovett

There was no debate to be had, I nowhere in my posts said that joe did not deserve number one or deserve a record deal and you took what I said out of context in order to call me spiteful. I think I'm just going to go and buy RATM different versions on iTunes just to prevent joe getting to number one and having people like you claiming victory.

I'm not saying he has an automatic right to be number one, but to say he has no right to have a number one single, purely because the OP dislikes the song/singer is not right. But he has worked damn hard, and he is out there, so who the hell is he to say that Joe has no right to be number one? Everyone has the right to be number one, it depends on who buys their music. But saying Joe has no right to be #1 is just downright ignorant.

 

But not everyone has the same chance to be number one ... when the only single stocked in ALL supermarkets is the X-Factor winner. Simon's song starts off at a huge advantage as Simon has this monopoly. I asked (rhetorically) at the supermarket today ... 'do you stock any other singles?' The answer 'no'. 'Why?' I asked. The answer was that the X-Factor single will sell. I ventured further ... how do you know ...... 'Because the show's been on tv for the last 12 weeks'.

 

So don't you see? If (most probably when) Simon's song gets to number one tomorrow ... it won't be a victory for Joe (who is singing it on Simon's behalf) ... its a victory for the show. Its nothing to do with the song or the singer.

 

Norma

 

Edit ... I'm praying like mad that RATM do get the number one tomorrow. But if not ... this has to be a learning exercise ... and when we get a campaign going next year ... it has to be with a song that has a physical release.

Edited December 19, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

Oh gawd I've stumbled into a right ding-dong here.

There was no debate to be had, I nowhere in my posts said that joe did not deserve number one or deserve a record deal and you took what I said out of context in order to call me spiteful. I think I'm just going to go and buy RATM different versions on iTunes just to prevent joe getting to number one and having people like you claiming victory.

 

You said...and I quote:

 

he does not have the right for the number one he should be bloody glad he has got a record deal at all.

 

Which is what I was referencing in my reply, because everyone has a right to be number one, if the public enjoys the music. And I'm not "one of those people" because I couldn't care less which act gets number one, I've said this several times this week, it doesn't bother me, it just bothers me when people make ignorant comments like "suchabody doesn't have the right to be number one".

 

Anyway.... back on topic. I apologise to everyone for all the mess that has caused, I was just adding my input like everyone else, and it seems to have blown up, because apparently I can't join in a discussion with Berty in. So never mind.

Edited December 19, 200916 yr by MrLovett

Oh gawd I've stumbled into a right ding-dong here.

Welcome to the world of chart chat :lol:

 

I'm with TiP, Norma and Suedehead (etc) here - no one has the right to get a number 1 song. It's quite a potentially pleasing slap in the arrogant face of Simon Cowell who assumes he will secure the xmas top spot and so be it that Joes bland cover of a bland song could be pushed aside.

 

Yes, Joe has worked hard for 12 weeks, but he has had a massive advantage over most bands and artists out there with quality songs and is certain to get a top 2 single first off which is alot more than equally hard working debut artists.

 

<_>

Can you just explain to me how he doesn't have the right to be number one please? Has he not been working his ass off, performing each week to millions, for months solid? Has he not got a song out that hundreds of thousands of people like? Don't be spiteful. You may not like the song, or Joe, but you have no right to sit there and say he has no right to be #1 or have a record contract, because at least he's got up and done something with his life, and is trying to achieve his dream. He has put out a song that many people like, if you don't like it, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but there's no need for bashing like that.

 

just :puke2: at your entire post.

 

He is very very lucky he fits simon cowells version of an artist, which is; young, good looking and a ballad singer. there are 100's of bands and singers out there that play pubs and clubs for years trying to make it, and trust me they work a damn sight harder than joe ever has. they don't have a pretty face, or sing endless ballads but have oodles of talent. they write their own songs, play instruments, they graft at their trade, but may never get the break, not because they don't deserve it or aren't good enough but because they never get lucky or don't have the pretty face.

 

you get fed what the record company wants you to listen to, because it is the same midtempo ballad recycled over and over and whether it is shayne ward, leona lewis or joe singing it simon cares not as it is all money in the pocket. he doesn't care about them as artists, hes not bothered about them progressing as artists or doing anything from the path of recording mindless midtempo ballad after ballad, then telling you that 'x' singer is amazing, when if they fall flat in 2 years he doesn't care as he will have found the next one to use to pump the boring commercial ballads over again.

 

seriously now and again just listen to some music outside the box, listen to joni mitchel, jewel, levi kreis, tori amos or susan enan, you might come across truely beautifully crafted songs like -

 

susan enan - bring on the wonder -

 

tori amos - talula - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN8uB-GHark

 

and if you love ballads and it is your music, look at some of the quality you miss out on because of cowells endless recycled crap -

 

levi kreis - hardly a hero - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKCuK7kf4Cw

I'm being misunderstood a bit. I can't fully explain it, but I basically agree with all you guys, I just said it wrong :lol: I just kinda meant that everyone has the right to be number one if the public wants the song, I don't think he deserves to be number one, just because he was on The X Factor.

 

Oh and Sammy, I love Tori Amos :wub:

is there anyone who works in retail here, have u sold alot of joe today?

I'm being misunderstood a bit. I can't fully explain it, but I basically agree with all you guys, I just said it wrong :lol: I just kinda meant that everyone has the right to be number one if the public wants the song, I don't think he deserves to be number one, just because he was on The X Factor.

 

Oh and Sammy, I love Tori Amos :wub:

But it's only because he's been on X-Factor that he has the chance. Without it, he wouldn't have a record deal. He might have got one eventually but he would have had to work a damned sight harder over a longer period than he has done over the last few months. Cowell is behaving as if the Christmas number one is an integral part of the prize for winning his karaoke contest. It isn't and that's what this campaign is all about.

If anything positive is going to come out of this whole chart battle perhaps it may be that Simon Cowell decides to stop being so lazy in picking horrific songs for the winners single. I do not see the problem in why he cannot get an original song for the winner to sing. There are millions of songwriters out there who would give the X Factor a song free of charge just to get their songs out there and I bet they are a dam sight better than the ones we have been given over these past few years.

 

Within Sony BMG there are also lots of artists that I am sure would be willing to write a song. Get a top producer also. I don't even know who produces the winners songs but they are clearly uninspired.

I just kinda meant that everyone has the right to be number one if the public wants the song

 

But they don't have the chance! It's the time of year that Cowell chooses to have his number 1! He is an excellent marketeer ... a businessman with a bad haircut and bad trousers! And I hate to bring up this point of supermarkets selling the single but it is important ... at this time of year. I know loads of people who'd willingly slip in a Robbie cd, or a GaGa cd, or a Saturday's cd at the checkout ... an impulse buy for a stocking filler ... but they can't ... the only thing there is Simon!!!!! Its like a Donkey entering the Grand National ... and winning ... because someone has shot the other 39 horses!

 

Norma

Edited December 19, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

I agree that singles being stocked in supermarkets would be a positive thing especially around Christmas. I am not sure if there is the market for it anymore during the year as dissapointing as that is. To make the Christmas race more open supermarkets really need to stock singles of people other than the X Factor.

 

Also Simon has announced that he expects to be on tv until he is Bruce Forsyths age, that is a really miserable thought.

Would it make any difference to people's opinions if x factor was on a diferent time of year, is it just that it is the christmas number one that people hate it more??