It always slightly irks me how a few people in this forum seem to think that things are acceptable as long as they are done within their own house. There's the opinion here (from a minority, admittedly) that the lady should be able to turn them away as it is her own property despite the fact she is effectively inviting them as guests, I also remember there being a quite ridiculous theory in another thread that you should be able to kill someone who breaks into your house.

 

I was just thinking earlier about where that train of thought would end for these posters? Would they allow rape if it was in the rapist's own house? How on earth can you draw the line as to which laws are ok to break and which aren't?

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Dandy*

Chris/Victor, I assume the room was a double and not a twin?

 

I don't see that even this should have anything to do with it ... if so it just exacerbates the sexism in it. On the first page of this thread I posed the same question as Chris/Victor did (but people tend to ignore me so no-one said anything). Me and my sister often went for weekends away together and shared a double room (note ... double ... not twin) ... we weren't asked upon booking 'excuse me madams ... but are you lesbians?' Or is it OK to 'accept' gay women and not gay men? I don't get it.

 

Norma

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

^^

I think it probably was that - although let's face it, sometimes it is just blindingly obvious that two guys are a gay couple. We get funny looks when we book rooms as a double although nobody ever says anything, I think sometimes it just takes them a few moments to click on... usually something along the lines of 'room #20? well, that's a double... and you're two guys... wouldn't you prefer a... Oooooooooooooooh" kinda thing.

 

 

I think you're right that nobody would bat an eyelid at two girls doing the same thing. It's just accepted, rather like the way they go to the toilet in groups. If guys go in groups, they're either gay or doing drugs. :D

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Dandy*

She doesn't have any twin-bedded rooms. She has two rooms with double beds and one room with a single bed. Just looked at her website again.

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Victor Meldrew

I don't see that even this should have anything to do with it ... if so it just exacerbates the sexism in it. On the first page of this thread I posed the same question as Chris/Victor did (but people tend to ignore me so no-one said anything). Me and my sister often went for weekends away together and shared a double room (note ... double ... not twin) ... we weren't asked upon booking 'excuse me madams ... but are you lesbians?' Or is it OK to 'accept' gay women and not gay men? I don't get it.

 

Norma

Sorry Norma, did not mean to miss your post. You have a point - I have discussed this very phenomenon with a friend who happens to be a lesbian. We kind of came to the conclusion that lesbianism is slightly more accepted by society. Could this be down to the stereotypical fantasy of straight men about lesbians? Hard to really quantify, but thats how our conversation went.

Sorry Norma, did not mean to miss your post. You have a point - I have discussed this very phenomenon with a friend who happens to be a lesbian. We kind of came to the conclusion that lesbianism is slightly more accepted by society. Could this be down to the stereotypical fantasy of straight men about lesbians? Hard to really quantify, but thats how our conversation went.

 

I don't think lesbians are more accepted at all, in fact I think they're often less accepted if they're 'out'. I think the sole reason that lesbians can often go under the radar in a way that gay guys couldn't is that straight girls would normally be just as happy to book a double room / hug each other in public etc so people don't always assume that a female couple doing this sort of thing automatically means that they're lesbians.

 

*coughunlesstheyhavespikeyhaircough*

 

 

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Dandy*

No of course it doesn't.

So why is your point relevant? Do you think the government should do nothing to tackle homophobia just because it will never be eliminated entirely?

I don't think lesbians are more accepted at all, in fact I think they're often less accepted if they're 'out'. I think the sole reason that lesbians can often go under the radar in a way that gay guys couldn't is that straight girls would normally be just as happy to book a double room / hug each other in public etc so people don't always assume that a female couple doing this sort of thing automatically means that they're lesbians.

Fair point. It was quite an arbitrary discussion that we had anyway.

So why is your point relevant? Do you think the government should do nothing to tackle homophobia just because it will never be eliminated entirely?

 

No they should do everything to eliminate it but what I'm saying is that it never will be totally eliminated, same as racism won't.

No they should do everything to eliminate it but what I'm saying is that it never will be totally eliminated, same as racism won't.

Now I can reply to you as you are being sensible.

 

You have a point, homphobia, rasism, sexism and all types of prejudice will never be elimated. People are entitled to think what they want to and it would be very wrong to tell someone what to think.

 

But, it is what they do to act on what they think that the issue is - it is 'fine' (well it isn't, but as I say you cannot control what people think) to be homophobic, but it is not fine to act upon it - the same as any other prejudice.

Fair point. It was quite an arbitrary discussion that we had anyway.

 

Sorry... didn't mean to sound like I was jumping down your throat. I just find the whole topic of whether gays or lesbians are more accepted to be quite an interesting one. :blush:

Sorry... didn't mean to sound like I was jumping down your throat. I just find the whole topic of whether gays or lesbians are more accepted to be quite an interesting one. :blush:

Oh, me too - you did have a point and I find it fascinating as well!

This has turned in to a media circus now. The two men and the woman have been all over Sky News today apparently. The men won't say whether they're taking the matter any further but the local police are going to "have a word" with her.

 

 

The video is on the Sky News site now. The husband says "my wife refused them as it's against our religious convictions" Asked if they're homophobic the woman hesitates and doesn't answer for several seconds then says "no we are not homophobic". They say they'd do the same again.

Edited March 23, 201015 yr by Victor Meldrew

Well, at least Chris has the Conservatives on his side...I'm not quite sure who that says more about.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8602371.stm

Well, at least Chris has the Conservatives on his side...I'm not quite sure who that says more about.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8602371.stm

Chris Grayling seems to be very confused. He voted for the law and claims that he still supports it. Yet he also says that B&B owners should be able to discriminate - even though he voted for such discrimination to be illegal. If anyone can work out what he really thinks perhaps they could let us know.

In all honesty, I don't think what he said is THAT disgusting. He did say in that same recording that he believes a proper hotel on the High Street shouldn't have the right to reject gay couples; he just said that someone running a small B&B in their home should have the right. I don't agree with that, but it is a fairly tough one imo, and it doesn't indicate he's homophobic.

In all honesty, I don't think what he said is THAT disgusting. He did say in that same recording that he believes a proper hotel on the High Street shouldn't have the right to reject gay couples; he just said that someone running a small B&B in their home should have the right. I don't agree with that, but it is a fairly tough one imo, and it doesn't indicate he's homophobic.

So he's saying that it is OK to discriminate against a couple who can't afford to stay in a hotel but not OK to discriminate against a couple who can. He may not be homophobic but he's certainly an idiot.

You stayed in a B&B in St Andrews? Makes the Hilton look cheap :o

You stayed in a B&B in St Andrews? Makes the Hilton look cheap :o

Isn't all accommodation in St. Andrews expensive?

Isn't all accommodation in St. Andrews expensive?

Pretty much, there are no Travellodge type places even remotely near by so they've got no one to pull prices down.

 

The open's in like 15weeks and what accomodation isn't already booked at insane prices is gonna get more and more expensive.

 

We could rent our 4bed house out for the week and make enough to go away on a two week holiday. We don't even live in St Andrews, we're 20mins outside but that's classed as a small commute for the open. People stay in St Andrews when it's held in Carnoustie and they put hovercrafts on to go across the Tay.