May 28, 201114 yr It was definitely a lot better than most second-parters! I preferred it to last week's episode, but the ending made it for me. Although it was still very confusing, and I'm not entirely sure what happened, but it was amazing!
May 28, 201114 yr Both episodes utterly confused me. I think i'm turning into Shelli :( Don't panic. I think we're all confused :lol:
May 28, 201114 yr ^She got cloned in that bit in the first episode, when she was trapped in the room in that decrepit orphanage. I think. Leading the story into the gangers gives us an excuse to reveal the ganger Amy. Also, it fits with the changing pregnancy test thing that the Doctor's been doing for the last however many episodes. I loved that second part. It tied up the ganger story quite nicely, and is doing well leading us into what looks to be an amazing mid-series finale.
May 28, 201114 yr I enjoyed that more than the first half, no major quibbles at all. I liked that a mixture of humans and flesh survived, the only minor things were Jennifer (who still seemed to undergo a major character transformation) and the guy who shut the door and locked himself out rather than in, just WHY would you do that?! I agree that it seems likely Amy has been a clone since the season opener which means it is surely even more likely that it was the flesh Doctor who died in the first episode and which possibly means it was the real Doctor who killed him?
May 28, 201114 yr I enjoyed that more than the first half, no major quibbles at all. I agree that it seems likely Amy has been a clone since the season opener which means it is surely even more likely that it was the flesh Doctor who died in the first episode and which possibly means it was the real Doctor who killed him? The flesh Doctor's dead. From the sonic screwdriver apparently killing all gangers around it. So it can't be him on the beach. It's got to be another explanation, but I'll be damned if I can guess what Moffat's up to now The guy who locked himself out, that was because he couldn't lock the door, I thought, so his sacrifice was pretty much in vain. While evil ganger Jennifer or whatever was focusing on him, it did give the others a little bit of time to slam the other door and hold it, since the monster was at the second door almost immediately. Edited May 28, 201114 yr by Eyes
May 28, 201114 yr I missed the first 15 minutes of this episode so was TOTALLY thrown when I started watching. Still, I'm not sure I missed anything major? I found it more confusing and generally less good than the first part (I find the second part never really lives up to the promise of the first) but as with most of the series so far of an impressive standard ^_^ Excited to see what's been happening to the real Amy all this time and when/how/why she was cloned.
May 28, 201114 yr I enjoyed the 2-part episode tonight too, i see why people are confused though. Nice nod to the past with the clone Doctor at the start using Tom Baker's voice with the "jellybaby" line. Amy's pregnancy is just a running storyline throughout the series so although a cliffhanger doesn't count as a three-parter. Certainly interesting though, next week is the last one until the autumn. Then we have Torchwood which i'm really looking forward to.
May 29, 201114 yr Why did the doctor kill the flesh Amy? I thought he was against killing the flesh (or anything for that matter...)
May 29, 201114 yr I think Amy was kidnapped (or something) and cloned between episodes 1 and 2, hence why she first sees eyepatch Lady in the oprhanage. Something f***ed up is going on.
May 29, 201114 yr Why did the doctor kill the flesh Amy? I thought he was against killing the flesh (or anything for that matter...) To block the signal to Amy, I'm not even sure what that means...
May 29, 201114 yr I really enjoyed the episode, but I agree with everyone else, I'm really confused. :lol:
May 29, 201114 yr Got to be something to do with The Silents opener. Remember when she told the Doctor she was pregant at the end of episode 1, but by the end of ep 2 it was, oh no I'm fine. So somewhere between those 2 moments she must have been cloned. My question is, if she's pregnant, a) when, and b ) wouldn't the flesh version also be pregnant as they're an exact copy??
May 29, 201114 yr Just finished watching "The Waters of Mars". The Doctor took his bloody time trying to help them. Even if whatever he did was going to result in failure he could have tried anyway.....better than just standing there like a cabbage. Probably the first doctor who episode I didn't really enjoy, way too much gloom, doom and foreboding destiny for my liking. It sort of dulled the action for me. I don't know how many minutes he just stood there watching them run around. Sure he saved three of them in the end but Adelaide would have rather died. I really don't think she needed to die on mars to inspire her grandchild. Even more so I don't think she needed to commit suicide to inspire her grandchild. Dumbass. I just found it funny at the end when they were trying to make the doctor look like the villain. Edited May 29, 201114 yr by Sabrewulf
May 30, 201114 yr Clearly you missed the entire point of The Waters of Mars? The ending wasn't there to make the Doctor a villain, it was the moment David Tennant's Doctor realised he couldn't have almighty control over life and death and realised that his time was coming. It was actually a great ending in terms of what it did for his character in the series of specials.
May 30, 201114 yr Clearly you missed the entire point of The Waters of Mars? The ending wasn't there to make the Doctor a villain, it was the moment David Tennant's Doctor realised he couldn't have almighty control over life and death and realised that his time was coming. It was actually a great ending in terms of what it did for his character in the series of specials. Clearly he did have (at least some) control over life and death if he saved those other two people though?
May 30, 201114 yr Clearly he did have (at least some) control over life and death if he saved those other two people though? Yeah, but the point was that he wasn't in almighty control. He thought he could save Captain Adelaide by simply rewriting time, but when she killed herself he realised it's not his place to meddle with the fabric of time, hence his little breakdown before running into the TARDIS.
May 30, 201114 yr Yeah, but the point was that he wasn't in almighty control. He thought he could save Captain Adelaide by simply rewriting time, but when she killed herself he realised it's not his place to meddle with the fabric of time, hence his little breakdown before running into the TARDIS. I still don't really agree with it, although that's probably because I don't believe things happen for a reason....I think it's all random. (So by that end I would see everything as rewritable) It feels like I'm supposed to just have faith in some idea that doesn't really make sense. The whole idea of a "fixed point in time" seems wishy washy to me. :( I guess it just conflicts with how I think. By the way to be fair, the doctor did save Captain Adelaide....what she did after that was her problem and her decision. He did change her destiny albeit only slightly. Edited May 30, 201114 yr by Sabrewulf
May 31, 201114 yr Yeah, but that was the whole point lol! The fact that the Doctor couldnt change her fate, because he didn't have that almighty power that he thought he did. Maybe I'm not explaining what I mean very well lol.
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