I disagree on your post about MLJ having longevity because it's a US song. You can't label all US songs with that assumption.

 

Yeah. It's not always the case, but it is the general rule.

 

In the past 3 years, how many US songs have been "non-#1"s? I can think of one, Beautiful Monster by Ne-Yo. Maybe We R Who We R by Ke$ha aswell.

 

How many UK #1s have been "non-#1s"? I can think of like 20! :lol:

 

Even though some US songs do debut at #1, they still have great longevity and are genuinely massive hits, like Dynamte, Just the Way You Are, Forget You, California Gurls, etc.

Yeah. It's not always the case, but it is the general rule.

 

In the past 3 years, how many US songs have been "non-#1"s? I can think of one, Beautiful Monster by Ne-Yo. Maybe We R Who We R by Ke$ha aswell.

 

How many UK #1s have been "non-#1s"? I can think of like 20! :lol:

 

Even though some US songs do debut at #1, they still have great longevity and are genuinely massive hits, like Dynamte, Just the Way You Are, Forget You, California Gurls, etc.

 

Come to think of it I get your point. There are more US non #1's that last longer in the charts, which is a sad occurence.

The UK market IS the second largest behind the US in the western world.

 

And actually the reason why sales are so high in places like Japan & South Korea is because of subscription based services. Those high numbers you see per week are NOT actual purchases. Basically people pay per month to listen to track and keep them legally as long as they have that subscription active. If they listen to or download that particular song then it counts as a sale. It is actually very misleading.

 

Do some research before you say someone is so wrong that their comment is laughable. I could say your comment is laughable but I won't be that rude. Just thought I'd put it straight :)

 

Germany is the second largest market behind the US in the western world. And, in Germany, Y&I has been climbing steadily into the top 30, so it is doing fine there considering TEOG is still huge.

 

Also, Japan isn't involved in subscription based services. This is nothing to do with Gaga, who doesn't sell many physical singles in Japan. The high numbers you see per week are actual purchases. The official Japanese singles chart (Oricon) counts only physical CD sales. Each CD sale costs about as much as an album in the US. And people buy the singles in droves. This week's #1 sold 1.354million copies. South Korea has subscription based services. Japan does not, which is why it is a far bigger music market than the UK.

Germany is the second largest market behind the US in the western world. And, in Germany, Y&I has been climbing steadily into the top 30, so it is doing fine there considering TEOG is still huge.

 

Also, Japan isn't involved in subscription based services. This is nothing to do with Gaga, who doesn't sell many physical singles in Japan. The high numbers you see per week are actual purchases. The official Japanese singles chart (Oricon) counts only physical CD sales. Each CD sale costs about as much as an album in the US. And people buy the singles in droves. This week's #1 sold 1.354million copies. South Korea has subscription based services. Japan does not, which is why it is a far bigger music market than the UK.

 

Fair point which is why I mentioned UK being the second largest in the western world (I tend to get South Korea mixed with Japan for some reason). Japan isn't in the western world nor do they have much influence. The big markets are still the UK and the US. Actually the UK has a market share in the world of 6.4% - 9.1%, whilst Germany has only a 5.3% - 6.4% market share which would make UK the second largest.

Edited September 1, 201113 yr by Dal

Fair point which is why I mentioned UK being the second largest in the western world (I tend to get South Korea mixed with Japan for some reason). Japan isn't in the western world nor do they have much influence. The big markets are still the UK and the US. Actually the UK has a market share in the world of 6.4% - 9.1%, whilst Germany has only a 5.3% - 6.4% market share which would make UK the second largest.

 

But there was a big deal about Germany overtaking the UK as the world's 3rd-largest music market? Either way, Y&I has only just started getting decent airplay in the UK, and there has been no promotion apart from the video. I think it'll climb.

But there was a big deal about Germany overtaking the UK as the world's 3rd-largest music market? Either way, Y&I has only just started getting decent airplay in the UK, and there has been no promotion apart from the video. I think it'll climb.

 

The figures I quoted were from the 1990's to 2000's. I've never been able to find any more recent data concerning recent years. You might be right. Will have to do some digging on that one.

 

Either way I think it would be fair to say the UK and the US are the most influential? The crossover appeal of UK and US artists into other markets is one you don't see with any other country for example.

 

Edit: You're right Darren, found the article you were referring to - http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?storyCo...p;sectioncode=1

 

By the way, I wasn't talking about Lady Gaga with Y&I :P

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I don't think Moves Like Jagger will ever get to number 1, it will be one of those long running number 2's. a little bit like The A Team except with a higher peak

 

feel free to quote this if I'm wrong though :D

I don't think Moves Like Jagger will ever get to number 1, it will be one of those long running number 2's. a little bit like The A Team except with a higher peak

 

feel free to quote this if I'm wrong though :D

 

I think you'll end up being right unfortunately :( At least it will have that longevity. I would prefer that over peaking at #1 and then freefalling down the chart.

Yeah. It's not always the case, but it is the general rule.

 

In the past 3 years, how many US songs have been "non-#1"s? I can think of one, Beautiful Monster by Ne-Yo. Maybe We R Who We R by Ke$ha aswell.

 

How many UK #1s have been "non-#1s"? I can think of like 20! :lol:

 

Even though some US songs do debut at #1, they still have great longevity and are genuinely massive hits, like Dynamte, Just the Way You Are, Forget You, California Gurls, etc.

Dynamite is by the UK artist Taio Cruz!

I see MLJ becoming a less extreme version of Love The Way You Lie. Long running song that outsells a lot of number 1s but doesn't get there. It won't, however, be the biggest selling single of the year!

I actually really like Moves Like Jagger now :D

Dynamite is by the UK artist Taio Cruz!

 

Oh gosh. :drama: I think Taio Cruz needs to do another song with Tinchy Stryder so we all remember he's from here. :lol:

 

Although, to be fair, musically, I think Dynamite is quite American. It has similarities with Tik Tok and California Gurls, was tailored for the US market, was produced by Dr. Luke, and was promoted in the US months before it was in the UK.

11. Sean Kingston - Party All Night (8th Combined, should go top 10 tonight n iTunes 0.6% behind Heaven)

12. David Guetta & Nicki Minaj - Turn Me On

20. Nicole Scherzinger - Wet (It's 1% behind 19, I really hope this somehow manages to get top 20 come Sunday)

36. Rihanna - Cheers (Drink To That)

55. Beyonce - Love On Top

63. Lady Gaga - You & I

99. Beyonce - 1+1 :wub:

103. Britney Spears - I wanna Go (Should still get top 100 this week)

 

Ed Sheeran's falling fast now, I think he will end up at #4 come Sunday.

I really hope The Kooks & Snow Patrol also manage to break the top 10 in the official charts, love both of their new songs.

 

Imagine Leona,Pixie,Saturdays,Kooks & Snow Patrol all managed top 10 :wub:

iTunes Update:

 

[01] 01| Example - Stay Awake

[02] 02| Maroon 5 ft. Christina Aguilera - Moves Like Jagger

[03] 03| Olly Murs ft. Rizzle Kicks - Heart Skips A Beat

[04] 04| Ed Sheeran - You Need Me, I Don't Need You

[05] 05| Calvin Harris - Feel So Close

[06] 06| Christina Perri - Jar Of Hearts

[07] 07| Cover Drive - Lick Ya Down

[08] 08| Wretch 32 - Don't Go

[10] 09| Bruno Mars - Marry You

[09] 10| Emeli Sandé - Heaven

 

[11] 11| Sean Kingston - Party All Night (Sleep All Day)

[12] 12| David Guetta ft. Nicki Minaj - Turn Me On

[15] 13| JLS ft. Dev - She Makes Me Wanna

[14] 14| Rizzle Kicks - Down With The Trumpets

[13] 15| Ed Sheeran - The A Team

[16] 16| Will Young - Jealousy

[18] 17| Jessie J - Who's Laughing Now

[17] 18| Adele - Set Fire To The Rain

[19] 19| David Guetta ft. Taio Cruz & Ludacris - Little Bad Girl

[20] 20| Nicole Scherzinger - Wet

 

[22] 21| The Wanted - Glad You Came

[21] 22| Beyoncé - Best Thing I Never Had

[23] 23| Nero - Promises

[25] 24| Jay-Z & Kanye West - Otis

[26] 25| Florence + The Machine - What The Water Gave Me

[24] 26| Nicki Minaj - Super Bass

[27] 27| Modestep - Sunlight

[31] 28| Bad Meets Evil ft. Bruno Mars - Lighters

[28] 29| Chris Brown ft. Justin Bieber - Next To You

[29] 30| Cher Lloyd - Swagger Jagger

 

[30] 31| Pitbull ft. Ne-Yo, Afrojack & Nayer - Give Me Everything

[35] 32| Tinie Tempah & Wiz Khalifa - Till I'm Gone

[33] 33| DJ Fresh - Louder

[40] 34| David Guetta ft. Usher - Without You

[34] 35| Pitbull ft. Marc Anthony - Rain Over Me

[47] 36| Rihanna - Cheers (Drink To That)

[32] 37| Will Young - Jealousy

[39] 38| Katy Perry - Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)

[37] 39| Noah & The Whale - L.I.F.E.G.O.E.S.O.N.

[38] 40| Foster The People - Pumped Up Kicks

 

Selected Others

 

[49] 49| Talay Riley - Make You Mine

[82] 59| Nicki Minaj & Rihanna - Fly

[66] 61| David Guetta ft. Akon - Crank It Up

[62] 63| Lady GaGa - Yoü And I

[76] 75| David Guetta ft. Jessie J - Repeat

 

[172] 128| Cover Nation - Loca People

[141] 138| Katy B - Witches Brew

[283] 193| Foster The People - Helena Beat

[***] 196| Garry Sandhu ft. GV - Fresh

LOL. Have you seen the sales in Japan,South Korea. Such a laughable comment to make.

That's because everything is sold for a similar value of like 10p in those countries or a subscription thing is used in Korea where they can get as many songs as they want, so in this case Gaga would prefer to focus on markets such as the UK over japan and korea because she would make more money. If you think before you make such a comment, it wouldn't seem so laughable tbh

I see MLJ becoming a less extreme version of Love The Way You Lie. Long running song that outsells a lot of number 1s but doesn't get there. It won't, however, be the biggest selling single of the year!

A bit although it's chart run reminds me of the a team in that it's got to 3 numerous times and doesn't want to rise or fall in terms of the official chart

Come to think of it I get your point. There are more US non #1's that last longer in the charts, which is a sad occurence.

 

That's not what he meant by 'non-#1s'. What he's saying is #1s by UK artists tend to have shorter chart runs and lower sales, whereas #1s by US artists tend to have much higher sales and stick around a lot longer. Which is a fair point but it's not because of the nationalities themselves, it's just because British artists normally hold back their releases longer to get a better peak, whereas American artists generally don't care if it gets to #1 or #31 so they release the songs much earlier. A British artist climbing t #1 is a very rare occurrence because we've unfortunately apparently already given up on OA/OS before we got the hang of it...

 

Anyway, as if I even have to say it, I sincerely hope Maroon 5 do not get to #1 with this :puke: That would make it possibly the worst #1 since 'Beautiful Girls'.

Edited September 1, 201113 yr by Bré

That's not what he meant by 'non-#1s'. What he's saying is #1s by UK artists tend to have shorter chart runs and lower sales, whereas #1s by US artists tend to have much higher sales and stick around a lot longer. Which is a fair point but it's not because of the nationalities themselves, it's just because British artists normally hold back their releases longer to get a better peak, whereas American artists generally don't care if it gets to #1 or #31 so they release the songs much earlier. A British artist climbing t #1 is a very rare occurrence because we've unfortunately apparently already given up on OA/OS before we got the hang of it...

 

Anyway, as if I even have to say it, I sincerely hope Maroon 5 do not get to #1 with this :puke: That would make it possibly the worst #1 since 'Beautiful Girls'.

 

We get it!!! You don't like Maroon 5 MLJ. Crying out loud lol!!

 

MLJ the worst #1 since "Beautiful Girls"? Don't speak rubbish. Don't take offence to this and I get you don't like the track as you have mentioned on numerous occasions but from the consensus on this forum, most people like the song. Not that your opinion is any less valid on that point :)

Yeah. It's not always the case, but it is the general rule.

 

In the past 3 years, how many US songs have been "non-#1"s? I can think of one, Beautiful Monster by Ne-Yo. Maybe We R Who We R by Ke$ha aswell.

 

How many UK #1s have been "non-#1s"? I can think of like 20! :lol:

 

WRWWR has sold over 320K, though and done okay in the charts even though it left the top 40 rather quickly.

 

And already this year I can name Swagger Jagger, Promises and Don't Go as "non-#1"'s.