That's the thing, the last few generations have been able to get the music they want for free, it's just now far easier to do than it was previously. Also, what you get for free is exactly the same as what you pay for. When I was growing up it was taping off the radio to get it for free, but it was worse quality and a lot more fiddly, having to time it right and having DJs talk over the end and beginnings of records. Now, if someone wants the latest single they can either A) go on one website and download if for 99p or B) go on a different website and download it for nothing, with it being exactly the same product. Same quality, same length, same everything. Before there was an incentive because what you bought was a better product, this is no longer the case. What you buy is exactly the same as what you obtain for free.

That's the thing, the last few generations have been able to get the music they want for free, it's just now far easier to do than it was previously. Also, what you get for free is exactly the same as what you pay for. When I was growing up it was taping off the radio to get it for free, but it was worse quality and a lot more fiddly, having to time it right and having DJs talk over the end and beginnings of records. Now, if someone wants the latest single they can either A) go on one website and download if for 99p or B) go on a different website and download it for nothing, with it being exactly the same product. Same quality, same length, same everything. Before there was an incentive because what you bought was a better product, this is no longer the case. What you buy is exactly the same as what you obtain for free.

 

I guess the asking price for consciences is also over 99p... :w00t:

 

Seriously though, I don't download illegally because I know it's *wrong*, even though I'd be 99.99999999999999999% certain of getting away with it.

That living in your dreams sometimes DON'T work.

 

I said living within your MEANS, not living within your DREAMS....

 

That's the thing, the last few generations have been able to get the music they want for free, it's just now far easier to do than it was previously. Also, what you get for free is exactly the same as what you pay for. When I was growing up it was taping off the radio to get it for free, but it was worse quality and a lot more fiddly, having to time it right and having DJs talk over the end and beginnings of records. Now, if someone wants the latest single they can either A) go on one website and download if for 99p or B) go on a different website and download it for nothing, with it being exactly the same product. Same quality, same length, same everything. Before there was an incentive because what you bought was a better product, this is no longer the case. What you buy is exactly the same as what you obtain for free.

 

I'm convinced DJs talked more than was necessary over intros in order to make home taping less attractive.

All this "music is too expensive" - it's never ever been as relatively cheap as it is today. A single hasn't been 89p since probably the late 1970s.

 

I admit I have downloaded illegally, but it was only ever songs I already owned in vinyl or cassette form when I basically converted my collection years ago, in the days of the original Napster. I wouldn't know where the illegal sites are now, and wouldn't really want to know either.

 

I too downloaded from the original Napster. In my case it was getting old tracks that couldn't be obtained in any other way. I never downloaded any current tracks, although I wasn't following the charts at the time anyway. This was in the very early 2000s, some years before downloading legally became common. You couldn't just hop onto iTunes and get whatever you wanted! If I want an 'oldie' today, that's what I do.

I guess the asking price for consciences is also over 99p... :w00t:

 

Seriously though, I don't download illegally because I know it's *wrong*, even though I'd be 99.99999999999999999% certain of getting away with it.

 

 

Hear hear. It's just wrong. You can use any reason for illegal downloading but at the end of the day people can't face the fact that they can't have everything they want when they want it. I don't have as many clothes as I'd probably like but I don't start taking things of shelves and saying to people 'well if I paid for it, I wouldn't be able to afford anymore clothes!'

 

And as for artists who've said they don't mind people downloading their music illegally-wasn't one of them Duffy? No one went on to legally buy her second album obviously....

Hear hear. It's just wrong. You can use any reason for illegal downloading but at the end of the day people can't face the fact that they can't have everything they want when they want it. I don't have as many clothes as I'd probably like but I don't start taking things of shelves and saying to people 'well if I paid for it, I wouldn't be able to afford anymore clothes!'

 

And as for artists who've said they don't mind people downloading their music illegally-wasn't one of them Duffy? No one went on to legally buy her second album obviously....

 

You mean that wasn't because it was crap? :P

You mean that wasn't because it was crap? :P

 

I liked it......... :unsure:

Bo**ocks! There is no logic to that at all..... You're basically saying you download illegally if you can't get a physical product?? If you can't get a physical copy of the CD why steal a download instead of paying for it??

Sorry but all these illegal downloading "excuses" are just bull****! You don't walk out of Tescos without paying because "you can't afford everything you want". Legal prices are too high?? That's because thieving bast*rds downloading illegally are costing the record companies money and they have to put their prices higher to compensate.....

 

Like it has been said, if you can't afford what you want, tough, life isn't fair and it's not like your entitled to have what you want when you want. 99p is also not too expensive for one track

 

totally agree with these two comments...

if u can't afford something, just don't buy it. :mellow: same goes for clothes, food & everything else, just because u can't afford it and it's available for stealing doesn't make the crime less punishable...

i own 15.000 CD's in my house and i've been collecting since 1991 (i was 12 back then),( i remember the first 3 Cd's i got were gifts from my dad : Michael Jackson's 'Dangerous' :yahoo: , Texas 'Mother' & Simply Red's 'Stars') the price of a CD in Lebanon is 17 USD (12 pounds) so usually i wait until the albums are on sale & i buy them...

last week i bought 500 CD's on sale from a music shop in Beirut which was closing down, the CDs were for 2 USD (1.4 GBP) each :dance: , most of them were relatively new releases or classic albums ( by MJ, Janet, Pink Floyd, Britney, PSB, Kylie,Spice Girls etc...), so i don't see why i have to illegaly download when i could get the actual physical thing for a great price...

same goes for UK where album prices is low 7 GBP for a new release -which is the price of a burger- which would u rather have for 7 GBP??? A burger which u would defecate in 2 hours or a CD which u could listen to for a lifetime???? :blink:

You mean that wasn't because it was crap? :P

 

actually it was one of the best albums of the past 2 years, but she chose to release the worst song on it 'Well well well' :puke2: that's why it flopped....while she could've easily released 'Keeping my baby' or 'Lovestruck' & made the album a huge success....

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But what would people do if a song, let's say "Radioactive" by Marina & The Diamonds (due October) wasn't released legally yet and there was no other way of downloading it?

I've downloaded that illegally.. but I have bought Florence + The Machine's new single because that was released as soon as it got it's first play.

But what would people do if a song, let's say "Radioactive" by Marina & The Diamonds (due October) wasn't released legally yet and there was no other way of downloading it?

I've downloaded that illegally.. but I have bought Florence + The Machine's new single because that was released as soon as it got it's first play.

 

 

That old fashioned thing that I do called 'waiting for it to be released'?

That old fashioned thing that I do called 'waiting for it to be released'?

 

Patience is a virtue, and I'm impressed you can be bothered to wait - many, and I would estimate a large proportion wouldn't (as evidenced by fake versions charting all over the iTunes chart). Then what incentive is there for one to buy it in the future when it does eventually get released because its often little better in quality?

Patience is a virtue, and I'm impressed you can be bothered to wait - many, and I would estimate a large proportion wouldn't (as evidenced by fake versions charting all over the iTunes chart). Then what incentive is there for one to buy it in the future when it does eventually get released because its often little better in quality?

 

The incentive of knowing that you're not breaking the law?

Patience is a virtue, and I'm impressed you can be bothered to wait - many, and I would estimate a large proportion wouldn't (as evidenced by fake versions charting all over the iTunes chart). Then what incentive is there for one to buy it in the future when it does eventually get released because its often little better in quality?

 

The incentive that I won't be doing anything illegal and immoral. Why can't people get that through their head? People don't avoid illegal downloading because the quality isn't as good, they do so because they know it's the wrong thing to do. Maybe I can be bothered to wait because my life has more to it than the want to download a song right now and there are often ways to hear the song before release anyway (radio, youtube, etc)

Edited September 11, 201113 yr by T Boy

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New Releases

 

Mostly.

 

I couldn't justify iTunes going from 99c - 1.30 so I stopped!

The incentive that I won't be doing anything illegal and immoral. Why can't people get that through their head? People don't avoid illegal downloading because the quality isn't as good, they do so because they know it's the wrong thing to do. Maybe I can be bothered to wait because my life has more to it than the want to download a song right now and there are often ways to hear the song before release anyway (radio, youtube, etc)

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I'm just trying to get a debate going, I'm not saying that I don't eventually download the song legally just asking the question.

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I'm just trying to get a debate going, I'm not saying that I don't eventually download the song legally just asking the question.

 

There isn't really a debate about it though. Illegal downloading is wrong. Very few excuses have been different to 'I want to have it now' which is a bit of a selfish one. Downloading it legally later doesn't really make what you've done any better.

There isn't really a debate about it though. Illegal downloading is wrong. Very few excuses have been different to 'I want to have it now' which is a bit of a selfish one. Downloading it legally later doesn't really make what you've done any better.

 

Well that was my next question. Is it wrong to download illegally a song which is not available to buy, if you fully intend to buy the song legally when it comes out? I don't think it is an obvious answer.

Not wanting to wait for the legal release is a pathetic excuse for downloading illegally. (As for those of you who are proclaiming it's breaking the law. It isn't. Technically) When I was younger there was no Napster and we had to make do. (Taping from the radio was just too much effort lol) I buy much more music now that I'm older, earning money and I can afford to. I never used to have that much of a CD collection at all and was quite content to listen to the same albums multiple times.

 

Youngsters now have no patience and they seem to get bored insanely easily. It's like they all have ADD. Music is something that is worth waiting and paying for. I really love Kelly Clarkson's new song but I'm waiting to download it legally, from Australia where I have an iTunes account still :heehee: (Though it just cost me $2.19, way more than 99p).

 

 

As Liam said, Scandipop is insanely hard to track down. It takes effort to find it illegally, and even more to find it legally in this country. If it's on iTunes UK i'll buy it, if I can't buy it or import it without a mortgage then Illegally getting it is the option :( It sucks as I do like buying CDs for my collection and supporting the artists.