I think it's a bit unfair to say Janet is 'unversatile' or a 'one trick pony'. At least give her a chance. No one thought Cher could do a ballad but 'Stay' was one of her best performances. If she does try to do something different and fails THEN WE'LL TALK but for now I'm supporting Janet because she has the best voice of the lot by a long way.

I agree actually, I'll admit I almost did call her out her unversatility but then I remembered Diana's Call Me. She had a similar voice to Janet, and I didn't think she could do anything beyond songs like With Or With Without You or Smile, but she came out and did Call Me and I loved it. I'll wait for a proper themed week where Janet gets tested to judge her, the theme this week was so wide that she was bound to play to her strengths.

Well you should be satisfied because you've just complained about said comments. People allowed to dislike Janet you know, I wouldn't call it baiting.

Oh, come on! Of course people are allowed to dislike Janet... but when people are being baited for saying 'I love Janet but I hate Misha' (yes, some of it has been narrow minded), yet people like yourselves are constantly going on about how you hate Janet, and are receiving no complaints until now.

 

Just saying. I couldn't personally give two shits if you like or dislike Janet.

Oh, come on! Of course people are allowed to dislike Janet... but when people are being baited for saying 'I love Janet but I hate Misha' (yes, some of it has been narrow minded), yet people like yourselves are constantly going on about how you hate Janet, and are receiving no complaints until now.

 

Just saying. I couldn't personally give two shits if you like or dislike Janet.

AMEN.

people are allowed to hate janet if they like. I just think it's a bit annoying when people try and question each others opinions if they're unpopular. quite the pisstake.

but she stood there like a barbie doll. granted, I can't see janet raving about the place like a pop star but I'm just saying those in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

What does being stood there have to do with versatility as an artist? Do the best acts MIX IT UP and walk in some performances then dance-walk in another and in those ULTIMATE MOMENTS dances Macarena stylee?

 

Who is throwing stones in glass houses? Rebecca? Me? Jemima Puddleduck? I don't understand your use of this proverb either.

 

I think it's a bit unfair to say Janet is 'unversatile' or a 'one trick pony' at this stage. At least give her a chance. No one thought Cher could do a ballad but 'Stay' was one of her best performances. If she does try to do something different and fails THEN WE'LL TALK but for now I'm supporting Janet because she has the best voice of the lot by a long way. No one else in the competition has made me think 'this is amazing' the way Janet has, apart from Misha B who ruined what was almost an equally strong performance with the rather awful rap bit in the middle.

 

It's GUFF like this in life I really can't abide. To be so cautionary to everything and not hold an opinion or expectation. It's essentially towing the line of 'middle of the road'. I feel fairly confident saying what I said because there are OBVIOUS DIFFERENCES between her and Diana. Diana isn't the be-all and end-all figure to judge Janet on?! Janet's voice is croakier, less powerful and she has a lot less confidence and stage presence. Could you honestly see Janet pulling off 'Call Me'. To show some versatility would song could you picture her pulling off and pulling off successfully?

 

I'll be more than happy to eat my words if I'm proven wrong but I don't see it happening. A total shell and personality artisté of the driest caliber.

I'm on Doug/Robot's side. I'm not the biggest Janet fan but if people are allowed to love Amelia incessantly and bash Janet incessantly then can't people love Janet incessantly and bash Amelia or Misha incessantly.

but she stood there like a barbie doll. granted, I can't see janet raving about the place like a pop star but I'm just saying those in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

 

Versatility is not about the area of the stage you cover, its about being able to do different styles of MUSIC which Rebecca did <_<

This is where I do agree with the 'opposers of Janet' - whilst she is my favourite (Misha was my favourite tonight, but in terms of consistency so far, I prefer Janet), I can't see her being very versatile. I agree, she doesn't really have a powerful enough voice to pull off something like 'Call Me', and only these 'needs timid vocals' songs are going to suit her. This could be her downfall, I can't see her working an uptempo song.

Huh? I think we were all aware before this came about that we are "all entitled to our own opinion". There's a difference though when you make make hypocritical remarks that make your opinion nonsensical.

 

If just highlights why this forum is so FLAT at times. There is nothing wrong with DEBATING something but for it to be declared as baiting and then trivialised? Challenging other's (unpopular) opinions is a "pisstake"?! If we didn't do this as humans where on earth would we all be?!

Double standards?

Yes. What's your point?

 

It's GUFF like this in life I really can't abide. To be so cautionary to everything and not hold an opinion or expectation. It's essentially towing the line of 'middle of the road'. I feel fairly confident saying what I said because there are OBVIOUS DIFFERENCES between her and Diana. Diana isn't the be-all and end-all figure to judge Janet on?! Janet's voice is croakier, less powerful and she has a lot less confidence and stage presence. Could you honestly see Janet pulling off 'Call Me'. To show some versatility would song could you picture her pulling off and pulling off successfully?

 

I'll be more than happy to eat my words if I'm proven wrong but I don't see it happening. A total shell and personality artisté of the driest caliber.

 

I didn't even mention Diana. Diana has nothing to do with my post. I was comparing this 'she's a one trick pony' attitude to the identical attitude many people held towards Cher Lloyd before she proved everyone wrong with her performance of Stay. I'm just saying you should give her a chance to try something different before saying she can't.

 

I honestly don't see why there's a need to justify your own opinions anyway? My opinion is that I want Janet to win and it's not something I particularly want to discuss in minute detail. I don't see why this should make my opinion any less 'valid' than someone who can pinpoint what exactly about someone makes them your favourite.

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Im delighted it went well for sammi, i was shocked when louis didnt originally pick her and going from the feed back i think she is safe tomorrow night, i was delighted when gary said if louis didnt put her through he would leave, im hoping that alone will sway louis to keep her, sammi is by far my fave although i have to say none of the songs/performance stonight sent a shiver down my spine but i know its early stages yet.

Im delighted it went well for sammi, i was shocked when louis didnt originally pick her and going from the feed back i think she is safe tomorrow night, i was delighted when gary said if louis didnt put her through he would leave, im hoping that alone will sway louis to keep her, sammi is by far my fave although i have to say none of the songs/performance stonight sent a shiver down my spine but i know its early stages yet.

After work tomorrow I'm going to edit the fuck outta that post so it's actually readable.

 

Too many commas not enough periods.

I didn't even mention Diana. Diana has nothing to do with my post. I was comparing this 'she's a one trick pony' attitude to the identical attitude many people held towards Cher Lloyd before she proved everyone wrong with her performance of Stay. I'm just saying you should give her a chance to try something different before saying she can't.

I used Diana as an example as she was fairly limited when it came to showing versatility and the very similar Janet has even less potential in those stakes for the reasons I suggested. I don't see how Janet and Cher equate or act as a reason for your opinion. Cher rapped and sang with a much less twee and fragile voice than Janet, essentially a more versatile voice. She went from uptempos to ballads. What's the rationale behind assuming the same is as easy for doing mostly ballads to uptempos?

 

I've laid out my reasoning for why I don't believe she'll vary in any way, challenge those instead of all this "give her a chance"/"wait and see" twaddle.

I honestly don't see why there's a need to justify your own opinions anyway? My opinion is that I want Janet to win and it's not something I particularly want to discuss in minute detail. I don't see why this should make my opinion any less 'valid' than someone who can pinpoint what exactly about someone makes them your favourite.

Isn't an INTRINSIC aspect of being on a forum to debate and challenge opinions and create a discussion? Or do you perceive it to be a place where we post our opinions as a selection of statements only quoting someone when you agree with them?

 

It's this sort of attitude that highlights where this forum has gone WRONG in the last year and why there is no longer a SOUL....

I used Diana as an example as she was fairly limited when it came to showing versatility and the very similar Janet has even less potential in those stakes for the reasons I suggested. I don't see how Janet and Cher equate or act as a reason for your opinion. Cher rapped and sang with a much less twee and fragile voice than Janet, essentially a more versatile voice. She went from uptempos to ballads. What's the rationale behind assuming the same is as easy for doing mostly ballads to uptempos?

 

I've laid out my reasoning for why I don't believe she'll vary in any way, challenge those instead of all this "give her a chance"/"wait and see" twaddle.

 

I didn't say she WILL be able to do uptempos, I said it's too early to assume she can't, which is what many people did with Cher. I agree with you that's it's fairly unlikely but I wouldn't say it as if it were a certainty. At what point did the X Factor become more about versatility than voice anyway? There are plenty of successful recording artists that couldn't sing a different style of song to save their lives.

 

Isn't an INTRINSIC aspect of being on a forum to debate and challenge opinions and create a discussion? Or do you perceive it to be a place where we post our opinions as a selection of statements only quoting someone when you agree with them?

 

It's this sort of attitude that highlights where this forum has gone WRONG in the last year and why there is no longer a SOUL....

 

It is, but you don't need to make a massive debate out of everything everyone says. Can you not occasionally just let someone have an opinion that disagrees with yours without aggressively challenging it? There's plenty of other things you can debate about, it's not like there's a dearth of opinionated posts on this site.

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Huh? I think we were all aware before this came about that we are "all entitled to our own opinion". There's a difference though when you make make hypocritical remarks that make your opinion nonsensical.

 

If just highlights why this forum is so FLAT at times. There is nothing wrong with DEBATING something but for it to be declared as baiting and then trivialised? Challenging other's (unpopular) opinions is a "pisstake"?! If we didn't do this as humans where on earth would we all be?!

I was actually going to make a lengthy post in this thread, but you seem to have encompassed everything I was going to rave about tbh.

 

Great entertainment tonight as always, a few things to highlight.

 

I think it became painfully obvious tonight that Frankie is easily the worst singer, in that he can't actually sing anything other than "spoken word" kinda songs. The judges praised him which was expected but his lack of vocal ability was painfully obvious which I knew would happen and I'm pleased it did because I'm personally sick of the kid, he comes across as an extremely precocious, arrogant young man. Tattoo's and all, not a fan in the slightest. If Barlow had any sense he'd be sent packing tomorrow. Although James will because he's painfully dull despite having superior vocal ability.

 

Kitty's performance was terribly out of tune toward the end, and the most awful thing about tonight for me was the audience reaction - in that there seemingly WAS NONE. At least Jedward got boo'd. Just nothing, the crowd just gave her nothing, I think you could tell by her reaction to that that she felt like she wanted the ground to swallow her. Painful to watch.

 

Favourites tonight for me were Craig and Misha. Strangely enough I've never actually heard Jar of Hearts before tonight but recognised the title and really enjoyed his performance, very good, passionate. I was expecting something a lot more middle of the road soul R&B from Misha, much like her first audition so despite having the same resouding "UGH" as everyone else at Adele being used yet again, I think she did a good job and definitely mixed it up with the rap, which again, I enjoyed.

 

I was really, really surprised at how good Rhythmix were, I expected them to be appalling in honesty, but I was impressed by how good they actually were. I haven't read through all of the pages of comments about tonight and haven't seen Rhythmix mentioned, but I can't imagine BuzzJack taking to them too well, but personally I really enjoyed them and was pleasantly surprised by them.

 

Janet! Originally I liked Janet, at Bootcamp I liked Janet. At Judges Houses I thought she was quite contrived and seemed to try and sound as "different" as possible to stand out, it seemed rather forced to me, which made me dislike her. You can see what they were trying to do tonight by putting Janet on last because she was probably the most anticipated performance of tonight but I found it dull, predictable and to quote Cowell "distinctly average", nothing special about it tonight at all. I agree with a lot of people in saying that I can't see her having much versatility, because despite the rather accurate comparisons to Diana Vickers, I think Diana is leagues ahead of Janet, as others have said in regards to the strength of the vocal, stage presence, personality etc, etc, etc.

 

Predictions for chops tomorrow?

 

Boys - James

Girls - Amelia :(

Groups - NuVibe

Overs - Jonjo

 

Not who I'd like to go, but who I think will go.

I'm starting to SERIOUSLY PANIC about the possibility of Gary getting rid of Marcus. He seemed to make a big deal out of James playing his own instrument so maybe he thinks he's some sort of credible artisté who needs a chance to shine. Which would mean many more weeks of painful dullness and whingy non-vox. NO TA. Give the NEW (black era) MICHAEL JACKSON a chance!

I'm starting to SERIOUSLY PANIC about the possibility of Gary getting rid of Marcus. He seemed to make a big deal out of James playing his own instrument so maybe he thinks he's some sort of credible artisté who needs a chance to shine. Which would mean many more weeks of painful dullness and whingy non-vox. NO TA. Give the NEW (black era) MICHAEL JACKSON a chance!

 

Personally I think Marcus Collins is the only one of the boys who's definitely safe. I could easily see Craig or Frankie being the 'controversial' one out and James would be the obvious one to leave but I don't see any reason why he'd eliminate Marcus, unless he's secretly a racist.

Marcus was awful tonight, what a shit song choice for him :mellow: I'm beginning to think M5's label paid them to use it or something to get the edge on Rihanna :lol: But I think he has more talent than James, so I'd keep him. Depends whether Gary weighs it all up or not.

I didn't say she WILL be able to do uptempos, I said it's too early to assume she can't, which is what many people did with Cher. I agree with you that's it's fairly unlikely but I wouldn't say it as if it were a certainty. At what point did the X Factor become more about versatility than voice anyway? There are plenty of successful recording artists that couldn't sing a different style of song to save their lives.

It is, but you don't need to make a massive debate out of everything everyone says.

But if you form an opinion with a basis of intellect and FACT behind it then where is the harm of saying such things? As I keep saying, challenging people for saying she can't do something with a FLIMSY reasoning of "we haven't seen her yet, give her a chance". It's entirely thought-terminating and nonconstructive. When has anyone suggested X Factor was solely about versatility. It's just currently what is being "debated" in regards to Janet. But there IS a difference between singing one genre and giving the same performance over and over (which is what I can easily see Janet doing).

 

As for your last point, once again? EH? Who said everything needs to be debated? Or a massive debate? I haven't suggested that. But if you are going to make "controversial" and blasé remarks surely be prepared to back it up instead of hiding behind a smokescreen of "you are just baiting"/"i am entitled to my opinion".