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Mama do the Hump better not get a number one. It is dire IMO.

Wow at rizzle kicks. Maybe they could grab the number 1 at some point then.

Rizzle Kicks for #1 next week if Coldplay don't hold on/climb there. My 2 favourite songs at the moment (well, 2 of the 3, but Antidote isn't released yet :P) :D

I just love Rizzle Kicks. :D Doubt it'll touch the top three but hopefully it peaks the #8 peaks of DWTT and WIWAY.

'Pop' is an artificial genre which empcompasses everything that is popular. When we say pop we mean its middle of the road music with tried and tested elements for maximum commercial appeal. So you get Rihanna who is doing Pop-R&B. Gaga does Electro-Pop which is dance music filtered down to catchy pop hooks. Then there is Blink 182 who do pop-punk which is rock music with pop hooks but they have gotten into harder sounds with their comeback. Its like Avicci vs Flo Rida, Flo Rida made that a pop song, Avicci didn't create the song for radio, it hardly has any words, its a dance track.

 

I've heard a lot of people say that (mainly rock fans), but I just can't get my head around this personally, and it makes no sense to me. A pop song is a pop song, a rock song is a rock song, and an RnB song is an RnB song. It's got nothing to do with what's popular imo. Like there was one year (I think it was 2004?) in the US where every single #1 was by a black artist and was RnB or hip hop. They didn't decide after that that RnB and hip hop would become pop music. RnB and hip hop stayed as RnB and hip hop and pop music stayed as pop music, even though it was absent in the top-end charts at the time. So that was one time when pop music wasn't popular, and I'm sure there's been other times in the past like that.

 

Yes, Flo Rida's song is definitely a dance-pop song imo. But not because it's got lyrics on it, but because it's got a kick drum on every beat, a really high tempo (probably over 120 bpm), continuous synths going all the way through (so no moments of silence in the beat), and so on. It's a pop song because it fits the characteristics of pop music, not because it's popular, or sounds like what's popular now (although it does, but that's because pop music is popular now unlike in 2004).

 

With regards to Rihanna, she's mainly electropop at the moment, like Lady Gaga. S&M, We Found Love, Only Girl, Where Have You Been, Who's That Chick?, Disturbia, Don't Stop the Music, SOS, etc. have nothing to do with RnB. Just dance-pop. Some of her songs have RnB influences, but a lot (probably most) of them aren't anything to do with RnB. The tempo is too high in those songs, they have no percussion, etc. I've always determined genres of songs on a song by song basis, rather than getting an artist saying all their songs are from one genre.

Urgh, Rizzle Kicks at #4. If 'Mama Do the Hump' out-peaks 'Down With the Trumpets', it'll be a great injustice - it's bad enough that 'When I Was a Youngster' peaked in the top 10. Admittedly, 'Mama Do the Hump' is a decent track, but the chorus is what's making the song popular, not the awful rapping. With little in terms of 'big' releases coming up though, it could well hang around in the top 10 for a bit.

I've heard a lot of people say that (mainly rock fans), but I just can't get my head around this personally, and it makes no sense to me. A pop song is a pop song, a rock song is a rock song, and an RnB song is an RnB song. It's got nothing to do with what's popular imo. Like there was one year (I think it was 2004?) in the US where every single #1 was by a black artist and was RnB or hip hop. They didn't decide after that that RnB and hip hop would become pop music. RnB and hip hop stayed as RnB and hip hop and pop music stayed as pop music, even though it was absent in the top-end charts at the time. So that was one time when pop music wasn't popular, and I'm sure there's been other times in the past like that.

 

Yes, Flo Rida's song is definitely a dance-pop song imo. But not because it's got lyrics on it, but because it's got a kick drum on every beat, a really high tempo (probably over 120 bpm), continuous synths going all the way through (so no moments of silence in the beat), and so on. It's a pop song because it fits the characteristics of pop music, not because it's popular, or sounds like what's popular now (although it does, but that's because pop music is popular now unlike in 2004).

 

With regards to Rihanna, she's mainly electropop at the moment, like Lady Gaga. S&M, We Found Love, Only Girl, Where Have You Been, Who's That Chick?, Disturbia, Don't Stop the Music, SOS, etc. have nothing to do with RnB. Just dance-pop. Some of her songs have RnB influences, but a lot (probably most) of them aren't anything to do with RnB. The tempo is too high in those songs, they have no percussion, etc. I've always determined genres of songs on a song by song basis, rather than getting an artist saying all their songs are from one genre.

 

"Pop" isn't necessarily anything that's popular, it's music which isn't predominantly of a single genre enough to come under that genre's name. For instance, GaGa is electropop because it's watered down electronic music with a catchy hook. One genre dominating (as you described) doesn't make it become pop, it just shows that it has a wide enough appeal to be able to be successful without appealing to the masses. Witness Slipknot getting a #1 album in 2001, "Iowa" is insanely heavy.

"Pop" isn't necessarily anything that's popular, it's music which isn't predominantly of a single genre enough to come under that genre's name. For instance, GaGa is electropop because it's watered down electronic music with a catchy hook. One genre dominating (as you described) doesn't make it become pop, it just shows that it has a wide enough appeal to be able to be successful without appealing to the masses. Witness Slipknot getting a #1 album in 2001, "Iowa" is insanely heavy.

 

Yeah, that's more along the lines of what I think of when I think of a pop song. I think the confusion arrises sometimes since some people consider pop like in terms of how the song sounds (a bit like your example), and others consider pop to be something that's specifically targetted at the mainstream or engineered to be a chart hit. In my case, when I say pop I'm referring more of the former situation.

 

When I first listened to Mama do the Hump, I honestly didn't think it'd do this well at all! :o I think Down With the Trumpets (and Heart Skips a Beat) are so much better though.

How big is coldplay's lead at the moment? It has to get that #1!

 

One That Got Away is doing so so well, its #15 right now.

Love On Top at #16 too, should be top 20 officially by now right?

Domino #18

 

 

Adele :wub: update:

 

Someone Like You #24

Ste Fire To The Rain #28 (#3 ON US ITUNES!)

Rolling in the Deep #38

 

Hoping RITD makes top 40 officially this week :heehee:

 

:dance:

Edited December 30, 201113 yr by Karma

Rizzle Kicks up to #3

How big is coldplay's lead at the moment? It has to get that #1!

 

Not that big TBH.

 

1 Coldplay - Paradise 1.0000

2 Flo Rida - Good Feeling 0.8132

 

Not that big TBH.

 

1 Coldplay - Paradise 1.0000

2 Flo Rida - Good Feeling 0.8132

 

Oh no!! I'm a little worried now.. All it needs to do is hold on tonight & all of tomorrow, but less than 20% can it really do that..i'm not to sure.

Anyone know the lead it has on the latest available mids?

Oh no!! I'm a little worried now.. All it needs to do is hold on tonight & all of tomorrow, but less than 20% can it really do that..i'm not to sure.

Anyone know the lead it has on the latest available mids?

 

But Good Feeling isn't a competition to Paradise this week... so it's OK, and the lead was over 40% for 3 days and now 20%... they will be just fine.

Mama Do The Hump for #1 next week! :D

Mama do the Hump better not get a number one. It is dire IMO.

 

HOW DARE YOU :angry:

It'd be a rare achievement for Rizzle Kicks to get their first solo number one with their third single (which was a post album release) while their two lead singles failed to get to the top spot.

Not that big TBH.

 

1 Coldplay - Paradise 1.0000

2 Flo Rida - Good Feeling 0.8132

 

That's still a pretty decent lead as it is at the moment, Flo Rida is closing it at a slightly worrying rate though. I do like Good Feeling though so I won't mind if it goes to #1 next week (although I'd vastly prefer a second week for Coldplay or a first for Rizzle Kicks). 2-3-4-5-6-7-4-1 :P Could happen. I think it should have gone to #1 in its first week though.

I've heard a lot of people say that (mainly rock fans), but I just can't get my head around this personally, and it makes no sense to me. A pop song is a pop song, a rock song is a rock song, and an RnB song is an RnB song. It's got nothing to do with what's popular imo. Like there was one year (I think it was 2004?) in the US where every single #1 was by a black artist and was RnB or hip hop. They didn't decide after that that RnB and hip hop would become pop music. RnB and hip hop stayed as RnB and hip hop and pop music stayed as pop music, even though it was absent in the top-end charts at the time. So that was one time when pop music wasn't popular, and I'm sure there's been other times in the past like that.

 

Yes, Flo Rida's song is definitely a dance-pop song imo. But not because it's got lyrics on it, but because it's got a kick drum on every beat, a really high tempo (probably over 120 bpm), continuous synths going all the way through (so no moments of silence in the beat), and so on. It's a pop song because it fits the characteristics of pop music, not because it's popular, or sounds like what's popular now (although it does, but that's because pop music is popular now unlike in 2004).

 

With regards to Rihanna, she's mainly electropop at the moment, like Lady Gaga. S&M, We Found Love, Only Girl, Where Have You Been, Who's That Chick?, Disturbia, Don't Stop the Music, SOS, etc. have nothing to do with RnB. Just dance-pop. Some of her songs have RnB influences, but a lot (probably most) of them aren't anything to do with RnB. The tempo is too high in those songs, they have no percussion, etc. I've always determined genres of songs on a song by song basis, rather than getting an artist saying all their songs are from one genre.

 

Pop definitely changes. 10 years ago Steps, S Club 7, Britney, 5ive, Backstreet Boys, *nsync were Pop, we now clarify that as bubblegum pop. (I don't know where that comes from buts a good description, its youthful and saccharine and doesn't fit as dance, rock or R&B really). I think it would be wrong to say the popularity of Tupac, BIG or P Diddy hasn't influenced pop. They were definitely R&B/Hip Hop in their day but their influence has filtered down to pop artists like Chipmunk and Chris Brown who use the same type of lyrics about ego, money, promiscuous women etc... Its like Daft Punk who are a pure dance band 90% of the time getting sampled by Kanye into the amazing dance/rap/ pop hybrid that is Stronger and then the floodgates opened and electro spilled out, Rihanna moving to dance, Gaga, Roll Deep, David Guetta's superstardom. Look at this year though, we have 3 boybands in this country. Two of which are doing old fashioned bubblegum pop.

 

I'm not saying that lyrics on dance music makes a pop song, I'm saying that hard dance is usually characterised by just the beat. Think DJ Jean: The Launch or ATB: Till I Come. Dance is the genre that subverts the pop song the most from its Verse/Chorus/Bridge structure. How many dance songs have you heard that just repeat a phrase over and over again? Flo-Rida uses the Avicci vocal as his chorus and builds the pop song around it.

 

Rihanna jumps on any passing bandwagon really. She was dancehall in 2004 when Sean Paul was at his height. Unfaithful,We Ride, Rehab, Hate That I Love You, Take A Bow, Russian Roulette, Hard, Te Amo, Rude Boy, What's My name, Man Down, California King Bed, Cheers, You Da One don't fit the dance criteria. Rude Boy and Hard nearly do, they blur the line more than the others. Rihanna's a half and half type of artist.

 

Its really hard to take the 'pop' out of pop music but so easy to put it in other music.

 

HOW DARE YOU :angry:

 

I'm sorry Griff. It does nothing for me. :unsure:

Edited December 30, 201113 yr by Paramore

Pop definitely changes. 10 years ago Steps, S Club 7, Britney, 5ive, Backstreet Boys, *nsync were Pop, we now clarify that as bubblegum pop. (I don't know where that comes from buts a good description, its youthful and saccharine and doesn't fit as dance, rock or R&B really). I think it would be wrong to say the popularity of Tupac, BIG or P Diddy hasn't influenced pop. They were definitely R&B/Hip Hop in their day but their influence has filtered down to pop artists like Chipmunk and Chris Brown who use the same type of lyrics about ego, money, promiscuous women etc... Its like Daft Punk who are a pure dance band 90% of the time getting sampled by Kanye into the amazing dance/rap/ pop hybrid that is Stronger and then the floodgates opened and electro spilled out, Rihanna moving to dance, Gaga, Roll Deep, David Guetta's superstardom. Look at this year though, we have 3 boybands in this country. Two of which are doing old fashioned bubblegum pop.

 

The type of pop music that does well in the chart changes, but the type of RnB that does well in the chart changes too (right now it's innuendo-driven stuff like Right There, I'm Into You, Lay It On Me, etc, which is quite different to the type that was doing well in the 90's). Same with hip hop. Now the type of hip hop that does well are the ballads like Airplanes, Read All About It, Lighters, Fly, Champion, Love the Way You Lie, Just Can't Get Enough, etc. In the mid-00's it was all those up-beat Nelly, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, etc. summer-ry songs.

 

But ultimately, all those Steps, etc. songs are still pop songs, like you mentioned, and now Love On Top would've still been an RnB song if it was released in the 80's. Musical trends in popular music change, but the lines that define a genre don't.

 

About the popularity of dance/electro music at the moment, I think it traces back to way before Stronger tbh. Hollaback Girl, for example.

 

And about Chipmunk and Chris Brown, not every song they do is a pop song. Look At Me Now, for example, is most definitely not a pop song.

Edited December 30, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob