Back on itunes that new Thomas Cook add will help Avvici alot, ive seen it loads this weekend!

How about Gettin' Over You then?

 

The single version is credited to David Guetta & Chris Willis ft. LMFAO & Fergie.

 

The album version which was David Guetta ft. Chris Willis got to #41, and when the LMFAO/Fergie remix was released it jumped 40 places all the way to #1, so I think in that case we can argue that the featured artists contributed to its success.

 

But this is a different situation because there are 2 different versions, one with Fergie and LMFAO and one without. From that you can obviously see Fergie and LMFAO helped. With Moves Like Jagger there is only one version available. Foir all we know if a Maroon 5 only version existed it might have sold a lot more than the version with Christina.

 

I'm not saying Christina definitely played no part in the song's success - she probably did contribute at least a bit. It's just there's no way to measure how much of an effect she had on its success. Which is why I will wait until she actually releases some new material before judging how much of a 'flop' she is. (She had big success in the past but she undeniably DID flop by her standards with her last era and I don't count Moves Like Jagger as the start of a new era for her, it's just a Maroon 5 song which she happens to feature on in a very small way).

 

On the flipside I do count this as Maroon 5 removing their flop tag. For now at least. I don't think their next single will do as well but I'm sure it'll be a lot bigger than 'Misery'.

 

As I say, MLJ is not Christina's success, it's success that Christina has been a part of but not necessarily the cause of.

Edited December 26, 201113 yr by Michael Bubré

Agreed, in my book it just reeks of desperation to get more hype/airplay etc. when the featured credit is 'ft. David Guetta' :lol:

 

You don't see 'Stay Awake (featuring Nero)' by Example or 'Mama Do the Hump (featuring Fatboy Slim)' by Rizzle Kicks - David Guetta is just one of those people who will produce/remix so long as he receives full credit.

 

They have one but it's not theirs and it counts for less than one of their own, is my viewpoint.

 

Okay so would you say both Rihanna and Guetta have a million-seller in OG(ITW) and IGF respectively?

 

Rihanna is credited as the main artist on OG(ITW) but the song technically isn't "her own" since she doesn't have any sort of writing credit, despite having vocals on the track.

 

On the flipside, IGF was produced by Guetta but since he's only a featured artist, that million-seller isn't his, despite producing it.

 

I don't understand your logic in regards to what makes someone a million-selling artist.

Could someone post a top 100 update, my chart is still frozen since xmas day and idont know whats happening...great wee debate here btw :lol:

Okay so would you say both Rihanna and Guetta have a million-seller in OG(ITW) and IGF respectively?

 

Rihanna is credited as the main artist on OG(ITW) but the song technically isn't "her own" since she doesn't have any sort of writing credit, despite having vocals on the track.

 

On the flipside, IGF was produced by Guetta but since he's only a featured artist, that million-seller isn't his, despite producing it.

 

I don't understand your logic in regards to what makes someone a million-selling artist.

I think if someone is credited on a song (even as a feat) then the million sellers counts as theirs as well (and will be in chart records with the OCC).

 

However, I do take issue with producers receiving credit as they do not sing on the record (this is just my opinion and bugbear).

Yes, they are part of it. In terms of the chart, they have a billing and it is part of their chart history and credited to them. You cannot get away from this fact all you argue.

 

In terms of the chart they're credited as featuring artists. Featuring on someone else's song.

Okay so would you say both Rihanna and Guetta have a million-seller in OG(ITW) and IGF respectively?

 

Rihanna is credited as the main artist on OG(ITW) but the song technically isn't "her own" since she doesn't have any sort of writing credit, despite having vocals on the track.

 

On the flipside, IGF was produced by Guetta but since he's only a featured artist, that million-seller isn't his, despite producing it.

 

I don't understand your logic in regards to what makes someone a million-selling artist.

 

Rihanna is credited as the lead artist in OG(ITW) so it is her song and it counts as her million seller. Guetta is credited as a producer on IGF so it's a million seller he was involved in but he wasn't credited as an actual artist on it so I wouldn't describe it as 'his million seller'. Same applies to the writers of OG(ITW).

 

I just see 'million seller as a lead artist' as counting for more than 'million seller as a featured artist' or 'million seller as a producer/writer only'. The latter doesn't count for NOTHING but it just means that I wouldn't refer to it as being a million seller 'for' that artist, just one 'involving' them. If you get me.

But this is a different situation because there are 2 different versions, one with Fergie and LMFAO and one without. From that you can obviously see Fergie and LMFAO helped. With Moves Like Jagger there is only one version available. Foir all we know if a Maroon 5 only version existed it might have sold a lot more than the version with Christina.

 

I'm not saying Christina definitely played no part in the song's success - she probably did contribute at least a bit. It's just there's no way to measure how much of an effect she had on its success. Which is why I will wait until she actually releases some new material before judging how much of a 'flop' she is. (She had big success in the past but she undeniably DID flop by her standards with her last era and I don't count Moves Like Jagger as the start of a new era for her, it's just a Maroon 5 song which she happens to feature on in a very small way).

 

On the flipside I do count this as Maroon 5 removing their flop tag. For now at least. I don't think their next single will do as well but I'm sure it'll be a lot bigger than 'Misery'.

 

As I say, MLJ is not Christina's success, it's success that Christina has been a part of but not necessarily the cause of.

 

It will be interesting to see the next single, if radio playlists it or not and how sucessful it is. Adam Levine was brillant on Stereo Heart with GCHs as well in October his vocal on that was brillant imo, maybe this is the start of more sucess for them?

In terms of the chart they're credited as featuring artists. Featuring on someone else's song.

In terms of their chart history they are credited on it so it is credited to them as well. This is a fact and you cannot get away from it :lol:

However, I do take issue with producers receiving credit as they do not sing on the record (this is just my opinion and bugbear).

 

I disagree with this, singing is only one element of music and music producers are just as much 'musicians' and worthy of credit as singers are.

 

My dad has this attitude as well and he always says stuff like 'When Love Takes Over should be Kelly Rowland featuring David Guetta' and whatnot which I think is ridiculous since it is Guetta's song and he probably asked Kelly to sing on it.

You don't see 'Stay Awake (featuring Nero)' by Example or 'Mama Do the Hump (featuring Fatboy Slim)' by Rizzle Kicks - David Guetta is just one of those people who will produce/remix so long as he receives full credit.

 

I think David Guetta has produced on a few songs and not got credited before (e.g. I Gotta Feeling, Pass At Me by Timbaland, Acapella by Kelis).

 

I don't know how they decide whether they credit David Guetta or not, but I suspect money is involved (like I imagine they might pay him more if they don't credit him or something).

I disagree with this, singing is only one element of music and music producers are just as much 'musicians' and worthy of credit as singers are.

 

My dad has this attitude as well and he always says stuff like 'When Love Takes Over should be Kelly Rowland featuring David Guetta' and whatnot which I think is ridiculous since it is Guetta's song and he probably asked Kelly to sing on it.

Crediting the producer was very unusual until fairly recently (well, Guetta basically). I can understand if it is an instrumental, but they are generally not and I think that Guetta should not get his own credit (personally).

I don't know how they decide whether they credit David Guetta or not, but I suspect money is involved (like I imagine they might pay him more if they don't credit him or something).

Good question, I have often wondered why he was not credited on IGF being he is on most things. Mysterious.

My iTunes feed hasn't updated since Christmas Eve. Wtf :mellow:

Rihanna is credited as the lead artist in OG(ITW) so it is her song and it counts as her million seller. Guetta is credited as a producer on IGF so it's a million seller he was involved in but he wasn't credited as an actual artist on it so I wouldn't describe it as 'his million seller'. Same applies to the writers of OG(ITW).

 

I just see 'million seller as a lead artist' as counting for more than 'million seller as a featured artist' or 'million seller as a producer/writer only'. The latter doesn't count for NOTHING but it just means that I wouldn't refer to it as being a million seller 'for' that artist, just one 'involving' them. If you get me.

 

I bet Sandy Vee, David Guetta and tons of other producers would be fuming if they read this. :P The producers/writers were the ones who created the track in the first place so it is arguably more their million-sellers than the singers. But obviously the singers are the ones selling the songs.

 

I'd say that the million-seller belongs to anyone who was involved in the production of the song (whether it is writers, producers, vocalists [of any varierty] etc).

 

Btw your argument (I think it was yours) that a featured artist would be asked to sing on someone else's song so therefore it isn't their song doesn't make sense because you could argue that Rihanna "was asked" to sing on somebody else's song. She may be the lead artist but it wasn't her song to begin with.

 

EDIT: Btw I am aware that last paragraph might not have made much sense but I'm listening to music so can't concentrate properly. :lol:

Edited December 26, 201113 yr by SceneofSIXCrimes

I bet Sandy Vee, David Guetta and tons of other producers would be fuming if they read this. :P The producers/writers were the ones who created the track in the first place so it is arguably more their million-sellers than the singers. But obviously the singers are the ones selling the songs.

 

I'd say that the million-seller belongs to anyone who was involved in the production of the song (whether it is writers, producers, vocalists [of any varierty] etc).

 

Btw your argument (I think it was yours) that a featured artist would be asked to sing on someone else's song so therefore it isn't their song doesn't make sense because you could argue that Rihanna "was asked" to sing on somebody else's song. She may be the lead artist but it wasn't her song to begin with.

 

EDIT: Btw I am aware that last paragraph might not have made much sense but I'm listening to music so can't concentrate properly. :lol:

 

I think David Guetta has earned too much money from his production work to care to be honest :D

 

You do have a point that some songs credited to a singer were the producer's song to begin with, but if it's released under the singer's name and especially if the producer isn't credited as an artist (i.e. 99.9% of the time :P) then it becomes no longer 'their song' in a way, just 'their production'.

 

'When Love Takes Over' and 'Commander' both involved the same artist, but I count the former as being Guetta's song and the latter as being Kelly's song although both were involed in the other (also The Nervo Twins and Frédéric Riesterer were involved in WLTO and Rico Love and Sandy Vee were involved in Commander) because of the way it was credited. In WLTO Kelly gave her vocals to Guetta to use in his song while in Commander Guetta gave his production to Kelly to use for her song. There's a difference. IMO.

 

TL;DR version: The 'ownership' of the song is determined by who is credited as the lead artist and I think that counts for more than featured artists and other elements of the song such as production or songwriting. Just a matter of opinion really.

 

(And for the record if there's more than one 'lead artist', as in Sweat, I think of that as belonging to both of them and if the lead artist is a group it belongs equally to every member, so for example 'Princess Of China' is as much belonging to Chris Martin as it is to Will Champion, but it doesn't belong to Rihanna, she was just involved in it, as were Brian Eno, Markus Dravs, Dan Green and Rik Simpson).

 

And if that would anger producers then so be it :P

Edited December 26, 201113 yr by Michael Bubré

I disagree with this, singing is only one element of music and music producers are just as much 'musicians' and worthy of credit as singers are.

 

My dad has this attitude as well and he always says stuff like 'When Love Takes Over should be Kelly Rowland featuring David Guetta' and whatnot which I think is ridiculous since it is Guetta's song and he probably asked Kelly to sing on it.

 

 

:lol: i can just imagine you and your da arguing about kelly rowland""" :D

I wish artists involved were credited all the time if for nothing else than to have a great chart history...I was tempted to put 'feat Fatboy Slim' on my personal chart for the new Rizzle kicks song because he hasnt had a hit in years :lol:

 

Looks much better!

Seeing this thread is as TEDIOUS as ever!