That's all very very unlikely. There are lots of "could haves" and "perhaps" there. And even IF that were all true and 'Wicked Heart' had become a #8 smash hit, record deals are not made, broken and saved THAT simply. It's all very rose-tinted loon glasses from where I'm sitting.

 

Like I said, there's so many "what ifs" I'm not denying that! It's probably is my optimistic "loon glasses" but you never know what that top 10 effect could have lead to in terms of the song's success and then her future releases!

 

I completely agree with what Umi has said here:

 

I don't even like her, I'm just stating what I believe to be true. And I do think small things like My Wicked Heart going to #8 instead of #13 could have made a big difference. Of course there are lots of "could haves" and "perhaps" there, My Wicked Heart getting the top 10 effect might not have resulted in an airplay surge at all and then everything after that would obviously not have happened. But it's entirely possible (even likely, I think) that it going top 10 could have done everything I said in my post. Seemingly insignificant things can have massive affects.

Edited August 9, 201212 yr by Ryan741

Poor Cover Drive. Their song with FEM looks like it'll be a #11 smash (even though it went as high as #4 on iTunes) and their 'Explode' single isn't even top 200, even though the video has been out for a couple of weeks.

Underperforming On air/On sale singles from artists with big fan bases tend to reach the top 10 on initial release, fans buying in droves, but then not reach the official top 10, either cause the single is released mid week or it just doesn't have any longevity. e.g. Run The World - Beyonce, Christmas Lights - Coldplay, Survival - Muse, Till The World Ends - Britney Spears (I think?), Hair - Lady Gaga etc. There must be others but they're not coming to mind.

I don't even like her, I'm just stating what I believe to be true. And I do think small things like My Wicked Heart going to #8 instead of #13 could have made a big difference. Of course there are lots of "could haves" and "perhaps" there, My Wicked Heart getting the top 10 effect might not have resulted in an airplay surge at all and then everything after that would obviously not have happened. But it's entirely possible (even likely, I think) that it going top 10 could have done everything I said in my post. Seemingly insignificant things can have massive affects.

Like I said, there's so many "what ifs" I'm not denying that! It's probably is my optimistic "loon glasses" but you never know what that top 10 effect could have lead to in terms of the song's success and then her future releases!

I agree that there are times when a song going Top 10 on iTunes, therefore potentially pushing it Top 10 officially, CAN make quite a big difference. But in the case of Diana Vickers, who was already on her way out after a disastrous run of singles (and whose song was never that popular hence why it bombed after a fairly good peak), this was never going to happen. Decisions about record deals are not made as quickly as that and an artist's fortune doesn't usually turn around that quickly. People who think she was going to go from THAT era into a successful one fairly quickly on the back of going Top 10 on iTunes with a song nobody even remembers have been in this thread for far too long!

Underperforming On air/On sale singles from artists with big fan bases tend to reach the top 10 on initial release, fans buying in droves, but then not reach the official top 10, either cause the single is released mid week or it just doesn't have any longevity. e.g. Run The World - Beyonce, Christmas Lights - Coldplay, Survival - Muse, Till The World Ends - Britney Spears (I think?), Hair - Lady Gaga etc. There must be others but they're not coming to mind.

 

I think that Till The World Ends was released on the Thursday/Friday if I'm correct? :unsure:

I agree that there are times when a song going Top 10 on iTunes, therefore potentially pushing it Top 10 officially, CAN make quite a big difference. But in the case of Diana Vickers, who was already on her way out after a disastrous run of singles (and whose song was never that popular hence why it bombed after a fairly good peak), this was never going to happen. Record deals are not chucked away as quickly as that and an artist's fortune doesn't usually turn around that quickly. People who think she was going to go from THAT era into a successful one fairly quickly on the back of going Top 10 on iTunes with a song nobody even remembers have been in this thread for far too long!

 

I still don't agree. :kink: A disastrous run of singles? She'd only had 2 previous, one of which was a #1 selling over 200k which is still pretty decent if not spectacular and the other was a post-album track which did underperform but didn't matter so much. 'My Wicked Heart' was the turning point for Diana. An album re-release was planned for a couple of weeks after the single, the promo for which was solely relied upon an X Factor performance. The fact that the re-release was cancelled after 'My Wicked Heart''s performance and attentions were instead turned to the 2nd album for a early 2011 release which has still yet to be released more than 18 months later shows the importance of 'My Wicked Heart' in Diana's career. Her label relied on that X Factor performance alone to get her another top 5 or even #1 hit.

 

If only 'My Wicked Heart' had broken into that top 10, who knows how its chart run could have changed and the results that could have had on her next single and album. We all know the effect the top 10 effect can have on songs!

I think that Till The World Ends was released on the Thursday/Friday if I'm correct? :unsure:

 

I'm not sure, but I don't think Till The World Ends quite got into the top 10 on iTunes, peaked about #11 or #12 I think. So undeserved! :(

'Til The World Ends stalled at #11 I remember :( It shot up pretty fast and I thought 'ooh it'll go top 10!' but obviously it never did. #21 is an awful peak for such a great song by such a huge artist!

Regarding 'My Wicked Heart'. It's clear people just didn't like the song. Even if it did go top ten on iTunes after XF it'd probably have still missed the top ten officially and done something like 'Turn It Up' or 'Can't Be Tamed' (which went top ten on iTunes after a BGT performance and yet went in at #11 and #13).

I still don't agree. :kink: A disastrous run of singles? She'd only had 2 previous, one of which was a #1 selling over 200k which is still pretty decent if not spectacular and the other was a post-album track which did underperform but didn't matter so much. 'My Wicked Heart' was the turning point for Diana. An album re-release was planned for a couple of weeks after the single, the promo for which was solely relied upon an X Factor performance. The fact that the re-release was cancelled after 'My Wicked Heart''s performance and attentions were instead turned to the 2nd album for a early 2011 release which has still yet to be released more than 18 months later shows the importance of 'My Wicked Heart' in Diana's career. Her label relied on that X Factor performance alone to get her another top 5 or even #1 hit.

 

If only 'My Wicked Heart' had broken into that top 10, who knows how its chart run could have changed and the results that could have had on her next single and album. We all know the effect the top 10 effect can have on songs!

Yes, a low-selling #1 and a song that barely scrapes Top 40 for somebody who was very well known and hyped is disastrous! Hence the need for a very quick re-release which was then cancelled due to nobody caring about the lead single from it, and that's DESPITE a performance on the most watched TV show in the country.

 

What I'm getting at is, with all that taken into account, Diana's fortunes were never going to change. But we'll agree to disagree because there is very little point continuing.

Regarding 'My Wicked Heart'. It's clear people just didn't like the song. Even if it did go top ten on iTunes after XF it'd probably have still missed the top ten officially and done something like 'Turn It Up' or 'Can't Be Tamed' (which went top ten on iTunes after a BGT performance and yet went in at #11 and #13).

 

It definitely was more dividing than 'Once' I agree. But if it had gone top 10, I do think it would have got there officially because of the examples you refer to had a performance midweek if I remember correctly? Therefore, they were at too much of a deficit from lower sales earlier in the week to then get there officially whereas Diana would have had a whole week of the top 10 effect. Does that make sense? :kink:

'Til The World Ends stalled at #11 I remember :( It shot up pretty fast and I thought 'ooh it'll go top 10!' but obviously it never did. #21 is an awful peak for such a great song by such a huge artist!

 

Yeah, Till the World Ends got to #11 on iTunes when it was first released. That's another example of a song where you wonder what could've happened if it went top 10 on iTunes. We all saw Far East Movement being at #11 on iTunes for like a week, and then once they got into the top 10 they shot up to #4 ot #5.

 

I remember we all got into an arguement about Till the World Ends, because everybody was laughing at it "flopping", and then I said it would probably re-enter the top 100 when the album was released. :lol:

No. it does not make sense :lol:

Edited August 9, 201212 yr by Toby

But we'll agree to disagree because there is very little point continuing.

I had an essay written up prior to your reply but this is probably the wisest thing to do. At the end of the day I don't think either side of the argument is ridiculous, it could have done what me and Ryan suggest or absolutely nothing. But there's no point in arguing over things that didn't happen.

Edited August 9, 201212 yr by Umi

I had an essay written up prior to your reply but this is probably the wisest thing to do. At the end of the day I don't think either side of the argument is ridiculous, it could have done what me and Ryan suggest or absolutely nothing. But there's in arguing over things that didnt' happen.

 

Yeah, I agree. It could have gone both ways! Would have loved your essay though Umi! :kink:

Angel up to #9!!!! :cheer:

 

I hope Justin Beiber can get to #11 in time for will.i.am to drop out.

Yeah, Till the World Ends got to #11 on iTunes when it was first released. That's another example of a song where you wonder what could've happened if it went top 10 on iTunes. We all saw Far East Movement being at #11 on iTunes for like a week, and then once they got into the top 10 they shot up to #4 ot #5.

 

I remember we all got into an arguement about Till the World Ends, because everybody was laughing at it "flopping", and then I said it would probably re-enter the top 100 when the album was released. :lol:

Yep, another 'what if' like My Wicked Heart! It's a bit like Born This Way on a lower scale really, very promising start but late release and quickly lost momentum meant it really underperformed. Of course Britney is much less of a presence than she was, but I think Til The World could've probably done about as well as Hold It Against Me, if not better, had it had a conventional release and gone top 10 on iTunes. Like Umi said, it may not seem like much but that little top 10 effect pushing a song up a few places can really ignite interest, and radio play mostly = more sales.

Does anyone know if Stooshe has a new single out at the start of next month? Their albums out on the 3rd (or maybe the 10th, :P can't remember) so unles they are going to go into the album release on the success of Black Heart, they should be premiering something right about now. Can totally se their album debuting at #1 with around 40k (which is not spectacular but pretty good in these times).

Yep, another 'what if' like My Wicked Heart! It's a bit like Born This Way on a lower scale really, very promising start but late release and quickly lost momentum meant it really underperformed. Of course Britney is much less of a presence than she was, but I think Til The World could've probably done about as well as Hold It Against Me, if not better, had it had a conventional release and gone top 10 on iTunes. Like Umi said, it may not seem like much but that little top 10 effect pushing a song up a few places can really ignite interest, and radio play mostly = more sales.

 

I think Till the World Ends has outsold Hold It Against Me actually. It was one of the best-selling non-top 20 hits of last year. It's impressive how well it did considering no top 10 effect, and no playlisting from either Radio 1 or Capital. Maybe she should've released it as the 1st single instead.

 

In the US where it actually did get a lot of radio support it peaked at #3 and had a very long chart run.

I think Till the World Ends has outsold Hold It Against Me actually. It was one of the best-selling non-top 20 hits of last year. It's impressive how well it did considering no top 10 effect, and no playlisting from either Radio 1 or Capital. Maybe she should've released it as the 1st single instead.

 

In the US where it actually did get a lot of radio support it peaked at #3 and had a very long chart run.

 

On the year end chart HIAM was 136th and TTWE was 143rd so there definitely wasn't much between them so you could be right on that by now.