I'm rather surprised

Florrie - Live A Little

wasn't vetoed unless no one else entered it?!

 

Oh anyone stupid enough to try entering that deserves to be BANNED FOR LIFE.

 

(I would totally have done so myself had it not been the most obvious veto)

I changed tracks before the tracks to be vetoed were fully agreed upon, which is why it doesn't appear on the list, but I was actually vetoed this month. I did not think it was worthy of a veto as it has so little exposure on this site it's touched upon slightly in an album thread that has a grand total of 5 replies. All the blog hype has died out but it's now appeared on a Radio1 playlist so Fantasy got the boot.

 

And unlike all of your tracks if one of mine comes under discussion for a veto I actually have to say it's mine and I no longer get a say in what happens to that track. Sure, you might all scream that I can defend my chosen track to hell and back, but it was going to be 3v1 (not including me) in favour of ditching my entry so I can assure you that even if I was to defend it, it would have had no effect at all.

If that is MS MR - Fantasy, then yes, the fact it's playlisted on Radio 1 would make it more of a reason to veto the track than ANY of the following vetoes tonight. Although, before that, I think it would probably have been fine to make it through. Interesting for you to be vetoed, and does lift the aura of bias - but tonight has still been a very very strange one.

It shouldn't be interesting for me to be vetoed. There is no bias in our decisions at all and I can't stress that enough. I'm certainly not afraid to throw out a fellow moderators track and clearly they are not afraid of doing the same to me.

 

We never actually get vetoed because we can change our track when it becomes clear that it won't pass through the veto. That's the only reason that a moderator never has an entry on that list, that and for the most part we know the system so well we know what will and won't get through a veto.

I must say that the moderators have handled this sudden strict veto very bad... It came as a fist in my face, and it broke my spirit for LIII and practically ruined my night... :(

It already has ruined my night as I was looking forward to tomorrow's semis until this happened! :(

I can't add anything that hasn't already been said by the likes of Oricon, Robot or Umi. But I'm definitely on their sides with this. Pretty much everything Rob has said. I personally am yet to hear all of those tracks (even the Alyssa one, but I'm pleased she was given the veto :lol:) bar Girl's Day. But if it wasn't for me venturing into the K-Pop thread, I wouldn't have noticed it. In that thread alone, only myself, Tom Kay & Oricon actually discuss that song and I haven't seen hype surrounding the song on many blogs at all, especially nowhere near to the extent that the likes of Tone/Samantha Jade etc.. had. It all just seems a little strange, really.

 

I'm not even sure what the other two songs are myself (but that's just down to me usually being unaware/not venturing to other blogs/forum hype until the song reaches Buzzjack) so I can't say what the hype situation is surrounding them. I hope the mods don't think we're attacking them, it's not that at all. But I do think sometimes the vetoing process does seem a little bit too strict, so they have to expect people to fight for the entries that they believe don't deserve to be vetoed.

 

Anyway, I dunno why I'm defending Girl's Day's veto! That's one less strong K-Pop song for me to go up against :ph34r:

I have heard a total of 0 of these songs! :D

HOLLA. Plus I've never even heard OF any of those songs.

 

If a song comes into the contest already having 10 big supporters and 60-100 points in the bag then the songs that absolutely nobody knows already are at a major disadvantage

*now playing: Tone Damli - Smash*

HOLLA. Plus I've never even heard OF any of those songs.

 

*now playing: Tone Damli - Smash*

 

I hadn't heard of most of the songs vetoed last month! And yes point well and truly taken about Smash (even though I had nothing to do with last months decisions), but at least you can see that that didn't pass though the veto purely because of non-existent mod bias. I stand by my point that songs with a lot of (or even a decent amount of) pre-contest support spoil it for other people. As for this month's veto's we're currently re-looking at them but rest assured that they weren't just off the cuff decisions and we certainly didn't intend to cause so much upset.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't complaining or anything. I just wanted to say how behind the times about the HOT NEW SHIT IN POP I am these days :lol:

Don't you think 2/3 supporters is a bit too strict?

I haven't heard Feathers but the other 3 I have. Running Guns I can understand and perhaps Karma but I personally wouldn't veto Expectation at all!

 

But the mods made their decision and there isn't much you can do!

Going back to "Fantasy", it's been on the Multichart for four weeks now so surely that shows more personal chart support than the other veto'd tracks, so 'Radio 1 Playlist' shouldn't just be the main reason?

 

The one thing I've never got about the veto is that Rich talks about how people have heard a song beforehand and so it isn't a level playing field which I agree with, but even if 'hype' dies out, that doesn't take away the fact a lot of people may have already heard the song? Which is what confused me with Tone & Samantha Jade, the hype may have gone but did multiple people suddenly unhear them pre-contest?

I do apologise for last night, I agree with the points I made, but I started getting a bit rude and sarcastic towards the end which probably didn't really help anything - I was just a bit annoyed.

 

My point still stands though, and thinking about it - it's just consistency that is lacking, and confusing me. I've just had the past 2 contests with The Good Natured (the track appeared on Popjustice & Pitchfork, and a couple of charts) and Le Kid (Scandipop, been sent like 5 times before). But, yet, this one which has had MUCH less hype, and support on the site, has been vetoed. Songs like 'Like Home' last contest (not saying you should've been vetoed, Jonjo) were in personal charts and getting coverage on music channels etc, We Are Young, Northern Lights, I'm Not Your Hero. They all had probably as much attention as these - and the last 2 contests have been pretty inspired on the whole, and have been fantastic. So, for Expectation and Feathers to be banned, to me, just seems like you've ramped up the whole veto thing to be really strict, but for no good reason, and quite suddenly - and it doesn't add up as to why. Neither of the two have had much Buzzjack support OR blog support.

 

I do respect the 'Karma' thing, and the Alyssa thing though - so with regards to my own veto, regardless on my own opinion, I do accept and understand your reasoning.

Going back to "Fantasy", it's been on the Multichart for four weeks now so surely that shows more personal chart support than the other veto'd tracks, so 'Radio 1 Playlist' shouldn't just be the main reason?

 

The one thing I've never got about the veto is that Rich talks about how people have heard a song beforehand and so it isn't a level playing field which I agree with, but even if 'hype' dies out, that doesn't take away the fact a lot of people may have already heard the song? Which is what confused me with Tone & Samantha Jade, the hype may have gone but did multiple people suddenly unhear them pre-contest?

 

I've never personally agreed with the 'hype dying down' thing myself actually! I'm all for people sending entries that are likely to be completely unheard regardless of their age. For example despite the fact that it's now two an a half years old and the hype has well and truly evaporated, there's absolutely no way that I wouldn't veto something like Tove Styrke's White Light Moment!

 

Also, Ms Mr was vetoed for a plethora of reasons, not just the Radio 1 playlist thing. Blog support, personal charts and general buzz were all taken into consideration.

Glad to see Atonement has changed his mind about quitting! (Even if that now means there might be more country songs in BJSC again eww).

After reading all this, I'm actually surprised my entry wasn't vetoed in the last contest.

Glad to see Atonement has changed his mind about quitting! (Even if that now means there might be more country songs in BJSC again eww).

 

!!

It actually is a country song, sort of.

And I didn't actually intend to quit, I just didn't have the will to participate the last few months.

I'm glad I made the right choice! My first choice was Tich - Dumb, and I think that's definitely in a position to be veto'd if Expectation, Feathers and Karma were.

Exception has been overturned on appeal.

 

 

Do not think this means we will overturn anything we are challenged on. We may have been a little harsh on one but still fully stand by both of the other veto decisions.